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Telegraph: Huge science scandal caused by manipulation of temps for global warming
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<blockquote data-quote="rambot" data-source="post: 67010867" data-attributes="member: 145797"><p>This makes me giggle.</p><p></p><p>Instead of listening to climatologists, they listen to a news reporter who is quoting a blogger who says:</p><p> "The more I look at climate issues, the more I realise that we cannot always rely on what the climate establishment tell us." So essentially, someone has "trust issues" cause the big mean green machine is "comin' to get ya!" </p><p></p><p>Instead of listening to their own doctors, the AMA, every health body on the ENTIRE planet, anti-vaxxers listen to a friend of an uncle of their postman's twin brother, and blogs like this: <a href="http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/" target="_blank">Traditional Diet, Holistic Health | The Healthy Home Economist</a></p><p>Why is there a distrust of the health establishment? Who cares why. Their opinion is informed BY that distrust and not on solid scientific research. I'm not going to force or shame anti-vaxxers into getting vaccines, but I'm not going to listen to their tripe suggesting that vaccines are killing our kids and causing autism. BEcause that is not correct.</p><p></p><p>Many denier's opinions are based on feelings that come about due to a "lack of trust" in "the establishment (whatever establishment that may be). This is true of anti-vaxxers; this is true of AGW deniers. You are welcome to deny that but honestly, your posts all bring this to bear again and again. Every time a new blog post gets up and it gets air time on wattsupwiththat, the telegraph or the mail (I'd wager about 90% of denialist "shockers" come from these three sources on this site). There is never any sound scientific research presented here (and RARELY anywhere in the world) that comes close to denying climate change. You are ruled by your emotions and feelings instead of solid scientific evidence; just like anti-vaxxers.</p><p></p><p>I personally don't care if you choose to live that way. Just please don't trick yourself into thinking that scientific research of ANY stripe bears that out. Recognize that your opinion is based on a lack of trust in people you find shadey and money grabbing. </p><p></p><p>And is this ad homenim? I guess it's how you look at it. If you create a track record for yourself that undermines the credibility of your argument and your argument is under-supported, why do you or your argument deserve an open ear in a discussion? Don't get me wrong; EVERYTHING deserves a look in. Not everything deserves the respect of an actual discussion and debate. And, ESPECIALLY if these EXACT discussion have happenned, oh, I don't know hundreds of times in the past and you refuse to put in effort to understand the explanation received (or don't accept it because of your own TRUST issues), people might get tired of the the same old wollop.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rambot, post: 67010867, member: 145797"] This makes me giggle. Instead of listening to climatologists, they listen to a news reporter who is quoting a blogger who says: "The more I look at climate issues, the more I realise that we cannot always rely on what the climate establishment tell us." So essentially, someone has "trust issues" cause the big mean green machine is "comin' to get ya!" Instead of listening to their own doctors, the AMA, every health body on the ENTIRE planet, anti-vaxxers listen to a friend of an uncle of their postman's twin brother, and blogs like this: [url=http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/]Traditional Diet, Holistic Health | The Healthy Home Economist[/url] Why is there a distrust of the health establishment? Who cares why. Their opinion is informed BY that distrust and not on solid scientific research. I'm not going to force or shame anti-vaxxers into getting vaccines, but I'm not going to listen to their tripe suggesting that vaccines are killing our kids and causing autism. BEcause that is not correct. Many denier's opinions are based on feelings that come about due to a "lack of trust" in "the establishment (whatever establishment that may be). This is true of anti-vaxxers; this is true of AGW deniers. You are welcome to deny that but honestly, your posts all bring this to bear again and again. Every time a new blog post gets up and it gets air time on wattsupwiththat, the telegraph or the mail (I'd wager about 90% of denialist "shockers" come from these three sources on this site). There is never any sound scientific research presented here (and RARELY anywhere in the world) that comes close to denying climate change. You are ruled by your emotions and feelings instead of solid scientific evidence; just like anti-vaxxers. I personally don't care if you choose to live that way. Just please don't trick yourself into thinking that scientific research of ANY stripe bears that out. Recognize that your opinion is based on a lack of trust in people you find shadey and money grabbing. And is this ad homenim? I guess it's how you look at it. If you create a track record for yourself that undermines the credibility of your argument and your argument is under-supported, why do you or your argument deserve an open ear in a discussion? Don't get me wrong; EVERYTHING deserves a look in. Not everything deserves the respect of an actual discussion and debate. And, ESPECIALLY if these EXACT discussion have happenned, oh, I don't know hundreds of times in the past and you refuse to put in effort to understand the explanation received (or don't accept it because of your own TRUST issues), people might get tired of the the same old wollop. [/QUOTE]
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