Or perhaps a creator created the morals that humanity follows, and placed these morals in our minds so we are convicted of right and wrong?
This is ridiculous, it is complete speculation. I suppose a creator COULD have created the morals, sure.
Can you provide ANY evidence that the chair you sit in is real without using personal experience? I say it doesn't exist, because I can't see it. And besides, even if it exists doesn't mean it was created. Perhaps it just spontaneously came into existence because the probabilities support the chair spontaneously existing from nothing, no creator required.
The evidence I have that the chair I am sitting on is that it can be seen by others, can be touched by others and it manifests itself. Furthermore, we can do scientific tests on it to determine the materials it is made from and how strong it is etc.
You cannot do that with your god
I don't have any problems with it. In fact it is a good thing to teach Christians what the world says and why it is false.
Oh, good. I also wasn't expecting this answer. Thanks.
Are you really morally sound? Let's test that, shall we?
Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever looked at a woman with lust? Have you ever been angry with someone without just cause? If you can answer yes to any of these, then you're not morally sound, you're a sinner, just like the rest of us.
So if it still not morally sound to do these things in Christianity, god must've done a
pretty bad job at giving people morals, eh? To answer the question, I think the lies I told have not caused any harm, the things I have stolen have not affected people greatly, looking at a woman in lust is completely normal and thus not immoral and why would I be angry at someone without just cause?
Yep. That's true. But it's also irrelevant.
Even people born in Iran and even people who have never heard of God are still accountable to Him.
It is in no way irrelevant.
This is relevant.
Where did those morals come from?
I already explained this! I determine common sense from experience. Morality not given from god is seen in the wild all the time! Ex. Piranhas don't eat other piranhas because they know it would be detrimental to their society, so they work together.
Morality doesn't come from the law. The law exists to illustrate our immorality.
Ok, this makes no sense; you keep contradicting yourself. You say god gives us morality, and then say he is demonstrating our immorality. Pick one!
You say your morals are derived from common sense but what happens when common sense changes? And what is your common sense based on?
My common sense changes after experiences. As I get more experience, I learn different things to do in different situation; I don't usually call it morality, but rather call it experience.
Yes. It's the planet you're standing on.
Oh, no. I think you need to look at cosmology. If you are then going to go on to say what the chances of life are:
We have been discovering extra-solar planets since only ~1995, it is a very new science. Since 1995, we have discovered two earth-like planets out of 530 discovered to date. Seeing that there are 100 billion stars in the milky way, that would mean there are about 377358490 earth-like planets in the Milky Way alone; each with a chance of harboring life. Then what about all the other galaxies? They may have a better or worse ratio of earth-like planets. Note: All these extra-solar planets were discovered WITHOUT the use of telescopes designed to search for them. Wait until a telescope is launched into space designed to search for earth-like planets (which is under construction), then not only may we find more earth-like planets, but may find life.
377358490.5660377Of course they would. Atheists aren't atheists because they don't believe in God. Atheists are atheists because they hate God. They hate the idea that there is an authority who holds them to a strict moral standard and, just like the rest of us, atheists love their sin so much that they will fight to the death when anything threatens it.[/QUOTE]
Ok, this is ridiculous. How can someone hate something when they don't even believe it exists?!
In my Anglican church it is not uncommon for the priests to offer scientific views that may seem counter to Christian views on an issue but they can provide scripture and historical reference that bring the two ideas together. I am thankful that our priests are very well educated. I know of several scientists, teachers and university professors who are members of my church. God's world and the natural world are one. Conflict between the two are created by man.
This is cool. I've never heard of this before. What exactly does he talk about?
