Taught by God

[stranger]

It is written in the prophets:
"And they shall be all taught of God."
Every man therefore that hath heard,
and hath learned of the Father,
cometh unto me.
[John 6:45]

The verse is very explicit and backed up by being a quote from the prophets of God, but totally ignored it seems by many christians who rely instead on doctrines and dogmes of the traditions of men [many traceable in history to pagan roots in origin and merely adopted by the christian church to facilitate its acceptance and spread through pagan nations

Again the new covernant itself [Heb 8:6-13] is very explicit indeed that the work of evenagelism is NOT to teach, but merely to convey the good news that Jesus is Messiah [anointed King] of Israel and that Israel have a new covenant with God that unconditionally accepts them - read Heb 8:6-13 and Jer 31:31-34 and note that the new covenant is indeed the change of covenant between God and Israel in which He stops rejecting them for sin, forgives them and unconditionally just makes them His people at last [as promised in the OT ... making them a kingdom of priests, ALL Israel, not just the levites as in the old covenant (Exodus 19:6)


And they shall not teach every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother,
saying, Know the Lord:
for all shall know me,
from the least to the greatest.
[Heb 8:11]

 

[johnd]

It is written in the prophets:
"And they shall be all taught of God."
Every man therefore that hath heard,
and hath learned of the Father,
cometh unto me.
[John 6:45]

The verse is very explicit and backed up by being a quote from the prophets of God, but totally ignored it seems by many christians who rely instead on doctrines and dogmes of the traditions of men [many traceable in history to pagan roots in origin and merely adopted by the christian church to facilitate its acceptance and spread through pagan nations

Let's be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water here.

The doctrines that are backed by scripture began by the study of scripture. I am the first one to say not all church doctrines are true. But only a fool would say none of them are true.

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Again the new covernant itself [Heb 8:6-13] is very explicit indeed that the work of evenagelism is NOT to teach, but merely to convey the good news that Jesus is Messiah [anointed King] of Israel and that Israel have a new covenant with God that unconditionally accepts them - read Heb 8:6-13 and Jer 31:31-34 and note that the new covenant is indeed the change of covenant between God and Israel in which He stops rejecting them for sin, forgives them and unconditionally just makes them His people at last [as promised in the OT ... making them a kingdom of priests, ALL Israel, not just the levites as in the old covenant (Exodus 19:6)

As I have just shown the apostles did teach and did command others to teach... doctrine. You must balance the passages you cite with the passages I cited and any other on the subject. From this amalgam you will get the whole picture.

You don't turn your color television to just red or just blue do you? This is what taking a passage or two from scripture and running with them (especially on matters the Bible has more to say about).

There will come a time in the millennium when the world is returned to an edenic climate and people's life spans will be about a thousand years (Isaiah 65:20) and the devil will be bound (Revelation 20:1-7) and then every one will know God personally. He will be here. We will come pay tribute to him in the capital city Jerusalem.

 

[stranger]

I think you misunderstand, the new covenant is VERY explicit :-

.. they shall NOT teach every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother,
saying, Know the Lord:
for all shall know me,
from the least to the greatest.

How does every saint come to know God and be sinless in THIS world, simply by baptism of the spirit as Jesus received , without measure...

Thus sound doctrine is GIVEN by God , whereas many doctines of the traditions of men are even contrary to some scripture ...



Thus what Jesus and Paul instructed their disciples to do was just to go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel with the 'good news that the new covenant with Israel is in force because Israel has a new King [annointed , Christ, messiah] to re-unite the two Houses of Israel again into ONE holy nation, the people of God, the descendants [Children] of Israel re-united as one nation to be a kingdom of priests under the new covenant, priests of the order of Melchizedek, not Levites, the whole nation....

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

This then is what God sent Jesus THIS time to do, it is what Jesus said that he was sent to do... re-establish the identity of the paganised House of Israel to them , that is why he and Paul sent the message out amongst the gentiles, because the House of Israel was there amidst the gentiles, thinking they were gentiles, not long lost descendants of Jacob

Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth

This simple example itself shows how far the traditions of men ,called 'doctrines/dogmas./ have strayed from sound doctrine without the baptism of the spirit in modern churches that gives ALL truth of God and knowledge of prophecy... instead of being taught by God through the holy ghost, men study the traditions of men mostly and then try to make the scripture fit, simply ignoring where it does not fit the ideas of tradition

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

The holy spirit WOULD unify men into ONE belief of God, so the fact that christianity is divided into tens of thousands of sects and beliefs actually PROVES the absence of the holy spirit from most of christianity... that would indeed be a shocking thing were it not prophesied that the church would fall away [2 Thess 2] , but it hardly justifies any faith placed by people in their self-ordained unannointed priests [who can hardly follow Jesus without the holy spirit

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come

Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

So where is even one man who knows ALL the truth of God after 2 millenia from Jesus the man? ... ? - Surely someone has to notice that the church is not given men all truth because it does not have it to give, but is divided and uses the methiods of MEN to divide its inerpretations of scripture , not the one truth of the holy spirit to unite it, but Jesus promised ALL truth, ONE truth of God to HIS followers..

So, those WITH the spirit of truth and all truth of God CAN teach God's truth, but that just is NOT anyone who has NOT all truth of God... which means almost all people and in particular almost all priests, preachers, evangelists, missionaries

So man is just leading man astray on the whole, the blind leading the blind down lines of men's traditions that could be set straight from scripture, but they are not

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:</p> <p

Again scripture is a way to be taught of God indirectly... the main opponent though is traditions in the churches which have gone down lines of personal beliefs

Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

If scripture then must all be true [or the scripture should not be in the 'canon'] then it is a great sin to just ignore the parts that do not fit with one's preferred tradition... rather one must INTEGRATE the WHOLE scripture into ONE ... but then one gets a VERY DIFFERENT view of what Jesus was sebnt by God to do

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

and what Jesus and Paul sent their disciples to do , the same thing

Matthew 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ [note - Messiah, annointed King of Israel ]

The gospel too has been lost, yet Paul re-iterates above that the good news is that Jesus is the Messiah [Christ, annointed King] of the new united Israel [when the two Housaes arejoined to be a nation of priests by menas of the new covenant with Israel

and the new covenant itself is hardly recognisable in churches, the original is still the ONLY new covenant between God and men and it is ONLY with the House of Israel [paganised as gentiles] and the House of Judah [the Jews]

Heb 8:6 ¶ But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

Look at what the ACTUAL new covenant SAYS, that even though Israel has sinned, they will be UNCONDITIONALLY both forgiven and TAKEN as God's people... yet in tradition in churches it is often raught that Israel 'blew it' and are no longer going to be god's people, His firstfruits of redemption after Jesus

And Jesus LISTS the firstfruits, tribe by tribe in Rev 7:3-8 and calls them the servants of God , sealed by menas of ALL God's truth, by the holy spirit of truth, the Comforter, just as Jesus was... but people still believe that they will be the first and scripture shows that no-one but those few given by God to jesus CAN travel the narrow way to the first resurrection ... thus the TEACHING has to lead to the FULL baptism of the spirit and ALL knowledge of God... and at the moment that just doen't happen, does it !,,, men are NOT receiving the holy spirit as Jesus did, me cannot do what jesus and the disciples did, the miracles and so forth... these things TELL us that doctrine has gone astray... we all need to be taught of God by his spirit, because that is where the good news should lead anyone who will, can, follow jesus worthily... and to follow unworthily is to crucify Jesus all over again

1 Cor 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep

 

[billwald]

Obviously has not happened and will not until Jesus returns. No thanks for the music.

 

[stranger]

Dear Bill,

Could we rather see your evidence for your assertions? ... this is a discussion site ...

 

[billwald]

Because there is no observational evidence that it has happened, that any one it has come to pass. It is not logical to try to prove a negative. Thus this thread should begin:

RESOLVED: The cited verses in John and Hebrews have been fulfilled because of the following observations that any rational person can observe concerning the Christian Church . . . (fill in the blanks).

 

[stranger]

It is rational to me to observe that NOT all men have been taught of God all His truth and knowledge of the future ... as Jesus promised to those worthy to follow Him, given to him specifically by the Father to be saints, not sinners , because they has this complete knowledge of all things, as Jesus was also given in his spirit baptism [following His water baptism by John] :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

It is rational to observe that not only has this not yet happened to ALL men, but that the churches are DIVIDED in belief and thus rationally do NOT have oNE truth of God, but many false traditions of men that conflict ... whereas God's truth simply CANNOT conflict with itself, proving the point rationally...

Again it is rational to observe that men in chruistian churches and evangelists and missionaries DO tell others to know God , but the scripture says that when the truth actually comes to men then they will NOT do so because the spirit of truth will tell them and they will ALL KNOW already... thus again the spirit has not come on all men, indeed one cannot find anyone on whom it has come, there is almost no-one who can prophesy except by repeating what the prophets and Jesus have said... almost no-one who knows all truth of God as Jesus did, who is worthy to follow him and be his image , siness, saintly, perfect...