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No, that´s not what you said.
You said:
(emphasis added)
Don´t know why it´s so hard to stand corrected on such a simple mistake.
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(emphaisis added)Noooo...I said it was a red herring because conservative pastors counseling abused wives has nothing to do with tapping feet in a bathroom.
(emphasis added)THAT is a red herring, because any pastor that does this isn't presenting the mainstream belief behind wives submitting, nor are they preaching true Christian doctrine.
Noooo...I said it was a red herring because conservative pastors counseling abused wives has nothing to do with tapping feet in a bathroom. It has everything to do with people getting to take another pot shot at conservatives.
LOL That's the first thought that came to my mind after reading the OP
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No, that´s not what you said.
You said:
(emphasis added)
Don´t know why it´s so hard to stand corrected on such a simple mistake.
I did not use the word majority. If you where talking about me, please do not place those words in my mouth. That would be fallacious.
also i think the augment went something like this
do you think 26% is frequent? that's 1/4 of the time.
That's frequent enough to be significant.
No, because any pastor in his right mind doesn't tell a wife who is being abused to submit to her abusive husband.
That's a fallacious argument and a red herring you've tried to throw in the mix, Lynn.
Now can you show where any conservative religious right group has ever condemned a member of the clergy of their denomination who has counseled a battered wife to "submit" to her abusive husband?
You are the only person who has said anything about such counsel having been offered by the majority of conservative pastors. It's like you're setting up and refuting your own argument.It's not "frequent". They're not saying that 26% of the time they counsel this way. 26% of 6000 pastors of whatever denomination said in a survey they would counsel a women this way.
This does not equate to the majority of conservative Christian pastors, or the religious right, doing it. If there was ever a pastor in our synod who did it, you can bet your bottom they'd be in trouble and probably let go from the ministry for their gross misunderstanding of what the role of man and woman is.
But again - it still has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Why is that so hard to see?
You are the only person who has said anything about such counsel having been offered by the majority of conservative pastors. It's like you're setting up and refuting your own argument.
Nobody said anything about majorities (except for you). Frequent and significant are not synonyms for majority. Majority has a specific meaning, i.e., 51% or more. Nobody has made such a specific claim.I don't even think it's offered by the majority of any pastors. What are you talking about? Lynn brought up conservative and the religious right, not me. Then several people tried to say that 26% was "frequent" and "significant".
It wouldn't even BE an issue if Lynn hadn't brought it up here, which was my initial point.
It's not "frequent". They're not saying that 26% of the time they counsel this way. 26% of 6000 pastors of whatever denomination said in a survey they would counsel a women this way.
This does not equate to the majority of conservative Christian pastors, or the religious right, doing it.
If there was ever a pastor in our synod who did it, you can bet your bottom they'd be in trouble and probably let go from the ministry for their gross misunderstanding of what the role of man and woman is.
I tapped my foot when I saw Bob Dylan at Jazzfest in 07.
AND I DO NOT REGRET IT!
Which is a bigger problem altogether, don't you think? 26% of the polled pastors shouldn't be pastors in the first place and aren't in their right minds????Yes, I believe that no pastor in their right mind would counsel women to do any such thing. So one could logically conclude that I don't believe that the 26% who said they would are in their right mind, nor do I think they understand the role of man and woman, nor do I think they should be pastors.
Lynn didn't ask you about WELS.I clearly stated that if the WELS ever heard of any of their pastors saying such things (and trust me, they would hear of it) they would very quickly intervene (although they'd probably not condemn, we leave that to a higher authority) and the man would more than likely lose his job.
How would you define a "liberal" church vs a "conservative" church?I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that pastors who do it are wrong, and I took offense that Lynn suggested it was only conservatives that do it.
I said a LONG time ago in this thread that I think toe tapping for sexual encounters with children is bad.Good grief. Get back to toe tapping already.
Which is a bigger problem altogether, don't you think? 26% of the polled pastors shouldn't be pastors in the first place and aren't in their right minds????
Lynn didn't ask you about WELS.
How would you define a "liberal" church vs a "conservative" church?
I said a LONG time ago in this thread that I think toe tapping for sexual encounters with children is bad.
As an aside, that diversity of opinion within the Christian faith alone sort of makes its own case for separation of church and state, don't you think?There's probably a lot more than that who shouldn't be in the pulpit.
She asked for an example from a conservative group or denomination. Not just yours.She asked about our specific denominations.
What is "liberal" doctrine when it comes to wifely submission? What is "conservative" doctrine when it comes to wifely submission?Doctrine.
I agree with everything you've said here (my brother's feet were about a 12 by the time he was 13 or 14), except that bars are co-ed spaces and bathrooms usually aren't ... so I guess it makes sense that if a pick-up routine is going to evolve in a bathroom it won't happen with straight people. And bathrooms are inherently relatively private places, so .... yeah, I dunno.I think toe-tapping in bathrooms ought not to happen at all, but for the sake of argument (heh) it is possible to mistake the foot of a 10, 11 or 12 year old for that of an adult. Like I pointed out, my son wears a size 10 men's shoe and he's 13. There are two boys at his school who are in 5th grade who wear size 12 shoes. So it's possible to make a mistake. However, if people weren't toe-tapping in bathrooms, this wouldn't happen in the first place.
Whatever happened to meeting people at the bar and then going home with each other? Isn't that "anonymous" enough??
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