Tanking Stock Market????

[zephcom]

CNBC has an article which lists the Market indicators which are 'flashing red' and signalinh a recession:

Here's a list of recession signals that are flashing red

Economies are fragile things which really like stability. Capitalism especially abhors surprises. And on an almost daily basis America's president is signaling yet another surprise decision which effects the economy. It is a testament to the strength of the economy painstakingly built by the previous administration that America's economy has done so well since this administration took office.

It is beginning to look like the question becomes, "Does the recession hold off until after the 2020 election cycle which helps Trumps campaign for another term or does it crash before the 2020 elections which dooms any hope for Trump's campaign??

I find myself once again in the position I was in for the 2008 election. Up until McCain selected his running mate I was going to vote for McCain. I thought it only fair that since the Republican's destroyed the economy we enjoyed during the Clinton years, the Republicans should have to be shouldered with cleaning up the mess they made.

It is beginning to look like Deja Vu all over again. Only now the Republican which would be charged with fixing the mess is not only the one who created it, but he also is not the caliber of John McCain either.

"They said, "Smile, it could be worse". So I smiled and sure enough, it got worse."

 

[ananda]

Stock Market <> economy.

 

[jayem]

There are 2 different stock markets. The market of traders, and the market of investors. Traders are concerned with shorter term ups and downs and are driven by fear and greed. In most cases, they’re losers. Investors are concerned with the longer term. They’re concerned with stocks that are good values and will appreciate over the next 10 or more years or so. That’s how Warren Buffet invests. And that’s how everyone should who wants to be a winner.

 

[zephcom]

There are 2 different stock markets. The market of traders, and the market of investors. Traders are concerned with shorter term ups and downs and are driven by fear and greed. In most cases, they’re losers. Investors are concerned with the longer term. They’re concerned with stocks that are good values and will appreciate over the next 10 or more years or so. That’s how Warren Buffet invests. And that’s how everyone should.

But to be sure, both are driven by greed. Without unbridled greed, capitalism would fail.

And neither will keep a recession from happening. The $64,000 question is, "Will the recession happen before or after the 2020 elections?"

 

[Kaon]

CNBC has an article which lists the Market indicators which are 'flashing red' and signalinh a recession:

Here's a list of recession signals that are flashing red

Economies are fragile things which really like stability. Capitalism especially abhors surprises. And on an almost daily basis America's president is signaling yet another surprise decision which effects the economy. It is a testament to the strength of the economy painstakingly built by the previous administration that America's economy has done so well since this administration took office.

It is beginning to look like the question becomes, "Does the recession hold off until after the 2020 election cycle which helps Trumps campaign for another term or does it crash before the 2020 elections which dooms any hope for Trump's campaign??

I find myself once again in the position I was in for the 2008 election. Up until McCain selected his running mate I was going to vote for McCain. I thought it only fair that since the Republican's destroyed the economy we enjoyed during the Clinton years, the Republicans should have to be shouldered with cleaning up the mess they made.

It is beginning to look like Deja Vu all over again. Only now the Republican which would be charged with fixing the mess is not only the one who created it, but he also is not the caliber of John McCain either.

"They said, "Smile, it could be worse". So I smiled and sure enough, it got worse."

The Dow/Markets isn't what will destroy the American economy: it is the bonds and federal interest rate that really determine how the markets react. Additionally, a general "confidence" is what props up the American economy, and if it continues down the track of isolation and nationalism, it will have no choice but to fail.

It may rise again like the "phoenix" on the money, but most likely it will not - considering hw exceptionally propped up American economy and society is. A real fall (not a correction of <5%) will devastate the economy, but most importantly it will devastate the American psychology.

Precisely because Americans vehemently deny that their economy will fall as hard as it will is exactly why when it falls (not a correction), it will be even more devastating.

 

[zephcom]

The Dow/Markets isn't what will destroy the American economy: it is the bonds and federal interest rate that really determine how the markets react. Additionally, a general "confidence" is what props up the American economy, and if it continues down the track of isolation and nationalism, it will have no choice but to fail.

It may rise again like the "phoenix" on the money, but most likely it will not - considering hw exceptionally propped up American economy and society is. A real fall (not a correction of <5%) will devastate the economy, but most importantly it will devastate the American psychology.

Precisely because Americans vehemently deny that their economy will fall as hard as it will is exactly why when it falls (not a correction), it will be even more devastating.

I am clearly not an expert on this issue. But from what I can see, isolationism and nationalism is the absolute worst thing that can happen to our economy. America uses isolationism as a weapon against rogue nations and we are on a path of 'self isolation'. How can that possibly be good for us?

But I don't expect that Americans can grasp the desperation of the issue. Clearly people will vote against a president who is in office when a major crash happens. But will they vote against a president who is causing a crash before the crash happens??

I don't think they will.

 

[Kaon]

I am clearly not an expert on this issue. But from what I can see, isolationism and nationalism is the absolute worst thing that can happen to our economy. America uses isolationism as a weapon against rogue nations and we are on a path of 'self isolation'. How can that possibly be good for us?

But I don't expect that Americans can grasp the desperation of the issue. Clearly people will vote against a president who is in office when a major crash happens. But will they vote against a president who is causing a crash before the crash happens??

I don't think they will.

People right now are clearly desperate to have their decisions vindicated, so IF something happens, because people have invested so much social and psychological respect to support or oppose someone, the people won't care about elections; they will go crazy in the streets and kill themselves off. Then the next state of human commodity begins.

This may sound macabre, but this is the type of pre-planned distraction every country falls for when there is a paradigm change. We do the same things and say its progress - then we get mad for "evil corporations" exploiting us. Why shouldn't they? We fall for the same tricks of ignorance and prejudice, vanity and greed every time no matter the social status of the person. If I was a psychopath, I would most certain and very easily exploit the commodity known as the "average plugged-in human." The market (because we have been told this) provides the psychological barometer for the way we are expected to think.


It won't ever get better, and the people won't ever realize the problem. They will allow people who try to expose it to die, disappear from apparent existence as they have always done in the past of human history, and then complain and say, "why didn't anyone tell us what was to come!" It is very unfortunate to watch.

 

[zephcom]

People right now are clearly desperate to have their decisions vindicated, so IF something happens, because people have invested so much social and psychological respect to support or oppose someone, the people won't care about elections; they will go crazy in the streets and kill themselves off. Then the next state of human commodity begins.

This may sound macabre, but this is the type of pre-planned distraction every country falls for when there is a paradigm change. We do the same things and say its progress - then we get mad for "evil corporations" exploiting us. Why shouldn't they? We fall for the same tricks of ignorance and prejudice, vanity and greed every time no matter the social status of the person. If I was a psychopath, I would most certain and very easily exploit the commodity known as the "average plugged-in human." The market (because we have been told this) provides the psychological barometer for the way we are expected to think.


It won't ever get better, and the people won't ever realize the problem. They will allow people who try to expose it to die, disappear from apparent existence as they have always done in the past of human history, and then complain and say, "why didn't anyone tell us what was to come!" It is very unfortunate to watch.

I know you are talking about the economy, but this is the same thing that is happening with global warming. Enough people either WANT the world to head for destruction or willfully choose to believe it is all a lie that the nation and the planet find it almost impossible to do anything to prevent the coming Apocalypse.

This has been known since the '70s. The planet is warming around us and still people choose to go on as if nothing bad is happening. And in fifty years or less, people will be saying, "Why didn't anyone tell us what was to come?"

With all the brilliance the human mind is capable of being, collectively we are still dumb as bricks.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Sold a bond at a 10% profit. Set stop-losses on stocks. But I'm not selling out yet, but accumulating cash.