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<blockquote data-quote="thaumaturgy" data-source="post: 49048586" data-attributes="member: 169303"><p>Asked. Still waiting for the answer.</p><p> </p><p>So that's all you got? Well, if you actually <em>read</em> Genesis 1 you'd see that this is the order of "creation events" <strong>on or near earth</strong></p><p> </p><p>First day: God creates light ("Let there be light!") - the first divine command. The light is divided from the darkness, and "day" and "night" are named. </p><p>Second day: God creates a <span style="color: black">firmament ("Let a firmament be...!") - the second command - to divide the waters above from the waters below. The firmament is named "heavens". </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Third day: God commands the waters below to be gathered together in one place, and dry land to appear (the third command). "Earth" and "sea" are named. God commands the earth to bring forth grass, plants, and fruit-bearing trees (the fourth command). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Fourth day: God creates lights in the firmament (the fifth command) to separate light from darkness and to mark days, seasons and years. Two great lights are made (most likely the Sun and Moon, but not named), and the stars. </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Fifth day: God commands the sea to "teem with living creatures", and birds to fly across the heavens (sixth command); He creates birds and sea creatures, and commands them to be fruitful and multiply. </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sixth day: God commands the land to bring forth living creatures (seventh command); He makes wild beasts, livestock and reptiles. He then creates Man and Woman in His "image" and "likeness" (eighth command). They are told to "be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it." Humans and animals are given plants to eat. The totality of creation is described by God as "very good." </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Seventh day: God, having completed the heavens and the earth, rests from His work, and blesses and sanctifies the seventh day. </span></p><p> </p><p>(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_according_to_Genesis" target="_blank">SOURCE</a>)</p><p> </p><p>Let's see what the SCIENCE says.</p><p> </p><p>1. God gathers together the "dry land" and puts the water in one place. That sounds like the water was there before the rocks. That doesn't make too much sense. The rocks were there first, the surface water came about through outgassing from the mantle as it cooled and maybe through meteor impacts. But maybe God meant cooling molten magma exsolving water as "dry land" coming together separate from the waters. Seems like more data is necessary. Otherwise <em>someone reading it for "details" </em>might draw the wrong conclusion. We have a reasonable idea of how water came to the surface of the earth. But some "creation myths", like the Egyptian creation myth, apparently do start out from water. Huh, whodda thunk it? A known "myth" (I assume you would agree the Egyptian story as mythos) versus <em>your </em>factual bible in a battle for "truth". </p><p> </p><p>2. God creates the stars <em>after</em> the earth? Highly unlikely because the <strong>stars</strong> provide us with the elements necessary to make up the earth. (MORE INFO <a href="http://photon.phys.clemson.edu/wwwpages/StarLife.html" target="_blank">HERE</a>)</p><p> </p><p>3. God creates "fruit bearing trees" before animals. Fruits are part of the <strong>angiosperms</strong> which don't show up in the physical record until <strong>well after </strong>animals. By like several million years. But, as an "out" for you, there are some gymnosperms which have a "fleshy" covering on some of their seeds, but these are technically not fruit in the same way as apples and fruits like that. But then God is often quite "non-technical" in Genesis and the Bible as a whole.</p><p> </p><p>4. God creates birds and sealife at the same time (the first animals). This is also <strong>not what the physical evidence says</strong>. The physical evidence says birds don't show up til several hundred million years after the fishes and sealife. They <strong>aren't</strong> <strong>even close</strong> in the physical evidence chain.</p><p> </p><p>5. God creates land animals after birds. Again, just the opposite is what the <strong>masses of data indicate</strong>. Birds came several hundred million years after land animals.</p><p> </p><p>There, see? That wasn't so hard.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Would fail, <strong>not</strong> because Geology is so hard only a handful of people can handle it, but rather because <strong>you don't have any interest in learning that which you slag and debate </strong><em><strong>against</strong>. </em></p><p> </p><p><em>Such is your ministry. Ignorance and bile spewed at that which you don't even <u>bother</u> to understand.</em></p><p> </p><p>Bravo.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>If you even bothered to care about geology before <strong>dismissing it out of hand</strong>, then I would find you such an annoying "debater" on this fourm.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thaumaturgy, post: 49048586, member: 169303"] Asked. Still waiting for the answer. So that's all you got? Well, if you actually [I]read[/I] Genesis 1 you'd see that this is the order of "creation events" [B]on or near earth[/B] First day: God creates light ("Let there be light!") - the first divine command. The light is divided from the darkness, and "day" and "night" are named. Second day: God creates a [COLOR=black]firmament ("Let a firmament be...!") - the second command - to divide the waters above from the waters below. The firmament is named "heavens". [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Third day: God commands the waters below to be gathered together in one place, and dry land to appear (the third command). "Earth" and "sea" are named. God commands the earth to bring forth grass, plants, and fruit-bearing trees (the fourth command). [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Fourth day: God creates lights in the firmament (the fifth command) to separate light from darkness and to mark days, seasons and years. Two great lights are made (most likely the Sun and Moon, but not named), and the stars. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Fifth day: God commands the sea to "teem with living creatures", and birds to fly across the heavens (sixth command); He creates birds and sea creatures, and commands them to be fruitful and multiply. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Sixth day: God commands the land to bring forth living creatures (seventh command); He makes wild beasts, livestock and reptiles. He then creates Man and Woman in His "image" and "likeness" (eighth command). They are told to "be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it." Humans and animals are given plants to eat. The totality of creation is described by God as "very good." [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Seventh day: God, having completed the heavens and the earth, rests from His work, and blesses and sanctifies the seventh day. [/COLOR] ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_according_to_Genesis"]SOURCE[/URL]) Let's see what the SCIENCE says. 1. God gathers together the "dry land" and puts the water in one place. That sounds like the water was there before the rocks. That doesn't make too much sense. The rocks were there first, the surface water came about through outgassing from the mantle as it cooled and maybe through meteor impacts. But maybe God meant cooling molten magma exsolving water as "dry land" coming together separate from the waters. Seems like more data is necessary. Otherwise [I]someone reading it for "details" [/I]might draw the wrong conclusion. We have a reasonable idea of how water came to the surface of the earth. But some "creation myths", like the Egyptian creation myth, apparently do start out from water. Huh, whodda thunk it? A known "myth" (I assume you would agree the Egyptian story as mythos) versus [I]your [/I]factual bible in a battle for "truth". 2. God creates the stars [I]after[/I] the earth? Highly unlikely because the [B]stars[/B] provide us with the elements necessary to make up the earth. (MORE INFO [URL="http://photon.phys.clemson.edu/wwwpages/StarLife.html"]HERE[/URL]) 3. God creates "fruit bearing trees" before animals. Fruits are part of the [B]angiosperms[/B] which don't show up in the physical record until [B]well after [/B]animals. By like several million years. But, as an "out" for you, there are some gymnosperms which have a "fleshy" covering on some of their seeds, but these are technically not fruit in the same way as apples and fruits like that. But then God is often quite "non-technical" in Genesis and the Bible as a whole. 4. God creates birds and sealife at the same time (the first animals). This is also [B]not what the physical evidence says[/B]. The physical evidence says birds don't show up til several hundred million years after the fishes and sealife. They [B]aren't[/B] [B]even close[/B] in the physical evidence chain. 5. God creates land animals after birds. Again, just the opposite is what the [B]masses of data indicate[/B]. Birds came several hundred million years after land animals. There, see? That wasn't so hard. Would fail, [B]not[/B] because Geology is so hard only a handful of people can handle it, but rather because [B]you don't have any interest in learning that which you slag and debate [/B][I][B]against[/B]. [/I] [I]Such is your ministry. Ignorance and bile spewed at that which you don't even [U]bother[/U] to understand.[/I] Bravo. If you even bothered to care about geology before [B]dismissing it out of hand[/B], then I would find you such an annoying "debater" on this fourm. [/QUOTE]
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