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By "again", I meant, "Explain it again?"
Okay --- thanks --- I wasn't too sure on that and didn't want to misrepresent them.I wouldn't say you're all wrong. A TE could go either way, really. A TE could include spontaneous generation as a source for abiogenesis by pushing the theistic act of creation farther back, to the creation of the initial matter of the universe rather than the creation of life itself. The universe was created, but life arose afterwards through abiogenesis.
I suppose it depends on what kind of Theist we are talking about.
I don't know, Cabal --- I don't think like a TE.
I would assume that TEs take Genesis 1 - 11 allegorically, and that the whole point of Genesis 1 & 2 is to simply show us that God is behind what exists.
I could be mistaken, but according to the TE mindset, if you reverse-engineer the Animal Kingdom, it will lead back to God as the Cause of abiogenesis.
Unlike Atheistic Science, TEs wouldn't include spontaneous generation as a viable source of abiogenesis.
Again, though, I could be all wrong.
Here's the 411 on the Creation --- QV please.Well then explain why these two accounts differ. Either the original state of the universe was a watery chaos (Genesis 1. 1-2) or the original state of the universe was a waterless waste (Genesis 2. 4-5). Which was it?
Nor does either account claim creation ex nihilo as some Theists like to allege.
Genesis 2:6 said:But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Luckily, the British government listened closely to people like Herbert Samuel, who openly stated that a good reason to recreate the Jewish state was that so many Protestants wanted the prophecies to be fulfilled. If that's not a self-fulfilling prophecy, nothing is.Yes.And I don't plan to, either. The difference between a self-fulfilling prophecy and God's prophesy, is that God's prophecy cannot be prevented from happening, no matter how hard you try. Self-fulfilling prophecies are a dime-a-dozen, the trick is to prevent it from happening.
Nonsense. Anything with a probability higher than 0 is possible. Besides, could you please provide a list of these 333 prophecies?Of the 333 prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, He fulfilled 109 of them at His first advent, and will fulfill the other 224 at His second advent. Mathematically, 10[sup]50[/sup] constitutes an impossibility
Even assuming that so many prophecies even exist (I didn't even find close to 300 examples on Wikipedia, and most of these are vague enough to fit on everyone and their grandmother), that's not impossible, merely unlikely.--- Jesus did the impossible at His first advent (109 x 108 x 107...)
See above. An event with a probability of 1:10^50 isn't impossible.and will do it again with an even higher weight of impossibility (222 x 221 x 220...)
Well, we'll see which comes first then --- the Rapture, or the return of Israel to another Diaspora; and since a third Diaspora was never prophesied, I'll place my faith in the Rapture.Luckily, the British government listened closely to people like Herbert Samuel, who openly stated that a good reason to recreate the Jewish state was that so many Protestants wanted the prophecies to be fulfilled. If that's not a self-fulfilling prophecy, nothing is.
Nothing will happen, not next year, not in twenty years, not ever. Of course you will continue to believe that it will happen in your lifetime, just like millions of Christians have done for the last 2000 years and will do so in the future, and of course you will be just as wrong in the end as they were.Well, we'll see which comes first then --- the Rapture, or the return of Israel to another Diaspora; and since a third Diaspora was never prophesied, I'll place my faith in the Rapture.
Self-fulfilling prophecies are a dime-a-dozen, the trick is to prevent it from happening.Of the 333 prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, He fulfilled 109 of them at His first advent, and will fulfill the other 224 at His second advent. Mathematically, 10[sup]50[/sup] constitutes an impossibility --- Jesus did the impossible at His first advent (109 x 108 x 107...), and will do it again with an even higher weight of impossibility (222 x 221 x 220...)
That is merely your own subjective interpretation.Here's the 411 on the Creation --- QV please.
And as far as a "waterless waste" is concerned, the answer was in the next verse ---
In that case, Israel will go into another Diaspora? Or what?Nothing will happen, not next year, not in twenty years, not ever. Of course you will continue to believe that it will happen in your lifetime, just like millions of Christians have done for the last 2000 years and will do so in the future, and of course you will be just as wrong in the end as they were.
Of course not --- since a picture is worth a thousand words:Do you mind sharing those 333 prophecies?
Not necessarily - though I'm sure that should Israel as we know it ever cease to exist, you and your apocalyptic brethren would produce a brilliant theological explanation for that too.In that case, Israel will go into another Diaspora? Or what?
Gee, and here I thought there actually were 333 prophecies about Jesus. Oh well, I'll go with Wikipedia. There's only about 30 as far as I could see and some of them are heavily disputed, but that's better than nothing.Of course not --- since a picture is worth a thousand words:
In that case, Israel will go into another Diaspora? Or what?Of course not --- since a picture is worth a thousand words:
When I say Jesus fulfilled 109 prophecies, I don't mean He fulfilled all 109 of them consciously. There were some prophecies He had absolutely no control over. Such as:I'm guessing the actual prophecy "probabilities" aren't integers like "109", but that aside, I strongly suspect that given that they all applied to one entity, Jesus, and that he knew most of them, then those are very unlikely to be independent probabilities, so they wouldn't just be multiplied together.
Low probability rates are used to show that it couldn't have happened by coincidence.Aside: (Not saying that you're doing this here, AV) Anyone notice that low probability gets used by ID fans to "prove" that evolution couldn't have happened, and yet this kind of low probability argument is used to "prove" that God did do it as regards fulfilling prophecies? By this logic, you can't have God using ID and fulfilling Messianic prophecies.
With God in control, probability can take a hike.Also, surely if someone believes that God will fulfil a prophecy, then your faith would give you a probability of 1? I don't want my all-powerful God to be batting with a 1/10^50+ average, thank you very much.
In that case, Israel will go into another Diaspora? Or what?
Caduceus, don't make the mistake of using some copyrighted book to glean your Theology from, or you'll end up with the wrong perspective of the universe.That is merely your own subjective interpretation.
Now watch ---Genesis 1:1 said:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
See something new in 2:1 that isn't in 1:1?Genesis 2:1 said:Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Notice how Paul is making it very clear that seed is singular, not plural?Galatians 3:16 said:Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Yes --- it's only 2000 years old.You are, presumably, aware, that this idea is of very recent origin?
30???Not necessarily - though I'm sure that should Israel as we know it ever cease to exist, you and your apocalyptic brethren would produce a brilliant theological explanation for that too.
Gee, and here I thought there actually were 333 prophecies about Jesus. Oh well, I'll go with Wikipedia. There's only about 30 as far as I could see and some of them are heavily disputed, but that's better than nothing.
And that point is wrong, but it appears you kind of know why.I agree with you (and, yes, I'm talking about micro-evolution).
I have made the point that, according to evolution, the first human woman would have had to have engaged in beastiality, since Adam supposedly didn't come along until thousands of years later.
Well, mtDNA can be traced further because women have less variation in the number of their children than men.They answer that by saying (if I get this story right), Eve's DNA, known as mtDNA, can be traced back further in time than Adam's DNA (Y-chromosome). [Evidently, mtDNA is easier to trace.]
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