Tackling this issue.

[Knowledge3]

I've seen several repeat over and over that is dangerous or not good to take single sentences as single phrases out of context. I don't get the reasoning behind this form of thinking because it seems to be based on human supersition instead of genuine faith.

For example, Psalm101 has a thread discussing verses where the enemy has control over sound. Having memorized alot of Scripture, I immediately separated this verse in my head and went to the Bible search feature instead of thumbing through the pages to hand-type the passage.

5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[c] must be born again.' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

You see the numbers encoded in the search? They are all markers of individual sentences. This a pretty good Scripture, a statement by Jesus talking about Spirit and it's nature.

This what happens when you quote individual sentences...

5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[c] must be born again.'

8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

It is the same thing to me to read individual sentences while in context of the whole passage. For me to include whole passages would be a tiresome task...Does anyone have any thoughts?

 

[chunkofcoal]

I think that problem is something like this: Take John 9:7 - 'And said unto him Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.'
If someone were to take this sentence out of context they could preach that everyone who went and washed in the pool of Siloam would be healed.

Another example, I heard a preacher preaching about psalm 2:8 "Ask of me, and I shall give the the heathen for thine inheritace, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." But the preacher was basically saying that this scripture is for everyone; but if you read the verse before and the verse after, you can see that it was/is about Jesus - (psalm 2:7-9) "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."

You said that you've memorized a lot of scripture and that is a wonderful thing; unfortunately there are a lot of people who haven't, and they might be easily mislead by people who quote things out of context. We are to watch out for false christs and false prophets but how can we do that if we don't know what the Word says?

 

[Knowledge3]

You said that you've memorized a lot of scripture and that is a wonderful thing; unfortunately there are a lot of people who haven't, and they might be easily mislead by people who quote things out of context. We are to watch out for false christs and false prophets but how can we do that if we don't know what the Word says?

On your last question; I think discernment comes from a length of time studying Scripture and learning God's way of instruction. I don't really have a preacher that I consult and ask questions to on a regular basis, this is probably a result of God's interaction on a certain level.I simply don't see a reason for going and consulting anyone about the Bible. The Bible describes Jesus as a high priest,what did was took that Scripture and applied to my faith and everyday life.I don't this kind of level of Bible knowledge and faith comes very easily, but I've armed myself and spent alot of mental preparation toward it. Pastors are supposed to care for the church members and help them through questions of faith as an overseer of the church. It is a good idea to let a pastor know that the church appreciates the time spent on the church.

Prophets don't really serve any specific purpose except to glorify God. A Pastor does not equal a Prophet.

We are to watch out for false christs and false prophets but how can we do that if we don't know what the Word says?

I've been through some pretty scary stuff in the faith that I think turned out for good in terms of spiritual discernment and recognizing between a false prophet and false preaching. I use time to test statements made by other people to see whether they hold up to be scripturally sound or true.

 

[paulnoel]

I think that problem is something like this: Take John 9:7 - 'And said unto him Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.'
If someone were to take this sentence out of context they could preach that everyone who went and washed in the pool of Siloam would be healed.

Another example, I heard a preacher preaching about psalm 2:8 "Ask of me, and I shall give the the heathen for thine inheritace, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." But the preacher was basically saying that this scripture is for everyone; but if you read the verse before and the verse after, you can see that it was/is about Jesus - (psalm 2:7-9) "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."

You said that you've memorized a lot of scripture and that is a wonderful thing; unfortunately there are a lot of people who haven't, and they might be easily mislead by people who quote things out of context. We are to watch out for false christs and false prophets but how can we do that if we don't know what the Word says?

I agree

 

[Knowledge3]

I agree also...But I can't help post single or short Scripture because I've read the Bible intensely for several years..The Bible is pretty much in my head...and my heart.

That's why I felt obliged to give thoughtful reply to chunksofcoal..

 

[chunkofcoal]

On your last question; I think discernment comes from a length of time studying Scripture and learning God's way of instruction. I don't really have a preacher that I consult and ask questions to on a regular basis, this is probably a result of God's interaction on a certain level.I simply don't see a reason for going and consulting anyone about the Bible. The Bible describes Jesus as a high priest,what did was took that Scripture and applied to my faith and everyday life.I don't this kind of level of Bible knowledge and faith comes very easily, but I've armed myself and spent alot of mental preparation toward it. Pastors are supposed to care for the church members and help them through questions of faith as an overseer of the church. It is a good idea to let a pastor know that the church appreciates the time spent on the church.

Prophets don't really serve any specific purpose except to glorify God. A Pastor does not equal a Prophet.




I've been through some pretty scary stuff in the faith that I think turned out for good in terms of spiritual discernment and recognizing between a false prophet and false preaching. I use time to test statements made by other people to see whether they hold up to be scripturally sound or true.

God will teach us if we will let Him.
I've also realized recently (maybe I should say that God showed me!) that how one interprets the scripture sometimes depends on what's in their heart. But, what's in their heart, or what their own "wisdom" might say that the scripture means isn't necessarily right. (I've been there.)

I agree that we should test statements made by other people to see if they are scripturally sound or not. That is the best test of any preacher, I would think.

As for using short passages or lines of scripture in posts or conversations, and the like, I think doing that would depend on who you are talking to. If you're talking to someone who knows the Bible, they'd also know the rest of the passage. If you are talking to a "baby Christian" then maybe you should explain what you are talking about to them - and encourage them to study the Bible!

Jesus IS our High Priest!

You mentioned Pastors - are you a Pastor or do you feel you have a calling to be one?

 

[Knowledge3]

Umm...I think I know the Bible more that your average pastor, as one pastor told that I knew more than him and people he pastored to. I don't feel I have calling to be a pastor because..I dunno

I'm comfortable where at I'm as a disciple and servant.

But I can assist someone in trouble area of Scripture or faith if they just ask. I don't mind people asking me questions because I like to answer questions about the Bible because I've devoted so much time to it...It paid off tremendously..Just because I am a Bible scholar doesn't imply that someone shouldn't come and and ask...I'm humble and have been humbled.

I just got started on the 1611 KJV.

Blessings...K3

 

[chunkofcoal]

It sounds like you might have discovered your gift.