TAC/Catholic union?

[MrJim]

Link

The Church of England Newspaper
June 6, 2008

AN ANNOUNCEMENT on the Vatican 's relationship with the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) may be made following the July 16-Aug 3 Lambeth Conference, sources in Rome tell The Church of England Newspaper.

Leaders of TAC, home to over 400,000 Anglo-Catholics who have left the Episcopal and Anglican churches over the past thirty years, have been in talks with the Vatican over creating an Anglican-rite enclave under the authority of the Bishop of Rome.

How cool is this~two conservative groups coming together? Where's Albion...

 

[Albion]

Link

The Church of England Newspaper
June 6, 2008

AN ANNOUNCEMENT on the Vatican 's relationship with the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) may be made following the July 16-Aug 3 Lambeth Conference, sources in Rome tell The Church of England Newspaper.

Leaders of TAC, home to over 400,000 Anglo-Catholics who have left the Episcopal and Anglican churches over the past thirty years, have been in talks with the Vatican over creating an Anglican-rite enclave under the authority of the Bishop of Rome.

How cool is this~two conservative groups coming together? Where's Albion...

Hello. Albion here.

What did you have in mind?

BTW, I don't automatically doubt the accuracy of the reports that something might happen, if not necessarily what TAC wants to have happen, but I'm guessing that the answer--if it comes--will be to accept these Anglicans without any significant concession to their Anglicanism. What TAC will do then has never, to my knowledge, been discussed openly.

This decision, whatever it is, has been described as imminent several times before and the 400,000 figure is exaggerated, which the Vatican must know.


But we'll see soon enough.

 

[MrJim]

But what do ya think about it personally?

 

[Albion]

But what do ya think about it personally?

Oh, I suppose I'm faintly sad that Anglicans would want to be Roman Catholics except in name, but overall I have to say that if this is what they want, I wish them well.

TAC's North American membership is small, so this would not be a development with far-reaching consequences here, although it might provide an outlet for restless Anglo-Catholic clergy in the UK who are thinking of fleeing the CofE.

 

[Quijote]

Interesting.

 

[arunma]

Amazing how an issue like the authority of the Pope is so much more important to Catholics and Anglicans than the supremacy of Jesus Christ.

 

[Communion]

Amazing how an issue like the authority of the Pope is so much more important to Catholics and Anglicans than the supremacy of Jesus Christ.

You denigrate Catholics and Anglicans in suggesting they place papal authority issues over Christ..

 

[Albion]

You denigrate Catholics and Anglicans in suggesting they place papal authority issues over Christ..

It also doesn't make sense. As for Catholics...OK, but as for Anglicans, there is not one Anglican in a thousand who yearns for union with the Papacy on the Vatican's terms or would accept it.

We are discussing here the overture to Rome of an Anglican body that in North America and the UK has less than 10,000 members. And it stands alone on this issue. If they wish union with Rome, that is their business and I don't mean to criticize their intention; but it hardly describes any general "Anglican" wish, even if it were correct to describe this as putting the Pope above Christ, which it isn't.

 

[nzguy]

uh-oh... once again denominations uniting under what truth?

in my experience, uniting denominations leads to watering down home biblical truths.

this is what happens when a church becomes a 'wing' of a larger mother church organisation.. they end up compromising to appease the hierachy

someone asked me why my church doesn't become a wing of a church that is huge in Christchurch. I said.. well.. (in different words) my church is non-charismatic.. that church is hyper-charismatic. The reason we are non-charismatic is because of sound biblical teaching.. if we were to unite with a larger church that is hyper charismatic we would put that all out of the window in the name of emotionalism or church growth.

What do Anglicans compromise by becoming Catholic? What do Catholics compromise?

Because I know of few Anglicans who worship Mary.. or pray to Mary.. I know of few Anglicans who would accept the apocrapha as valid scripture..

so what do we have in teh name of unity?

MUSH

 

[Albion]

uh-oh... once again denominations uniting under what truth?

in my experience, uniting denominations leads to watering down home biblical truths.

this is what happens when a church becomes a 'wing' of a larger mother church organisation.. they end up compromising to appease the hierachy

someone asked me why my church doesn't become a wing of a church that is huge in Christchurch. I said.. well.. (in different words) my church is non-charismatic.. that church is hyper-charismatic. The reason we are non-charismatic is because of sound biblical teaching.. if we were to unite with a larger church that is hyper charismatic we would put that all out of the window in the name of emotionalism or church growth.

What do Anglicans compromise by becoming Catholic? What do Catholics compromise?

Because I know of few Anglicans who worship Mary.. or pray to Mary.. I know of few Anglicans who would accept the apocrapha as valid scripture..

so what do we have in teh name of unity?

Once again--

This is not an issue with "Anglicans," but with "TAC," one very small church within the Anglican spectrum, and...

They have already made their compromises and currently profess a faith essentially identical to Rome's, whether or not the Vatican offers them any union arrangement.

 

[nzguy]

ah okay.. thanks for that

 

[JPPT1974]

Catholics are Christian and
That it really doesn't matter
What denomination you belong to
As long as you have Jesus as Savior & Lord
In your heart, that is all that matters.

 

[Franze]

The movements are slow because their consecuencies are important. In catholicism, the most important is what Christ said and Christ did. For this reason when Christ said that St Peter has to command the Church in his name, it´s a great responsabilty.
Many protestants don´t give importance to Christ when they refuse to receive the communion or believing in the presence of Christ in the eucharisty.
Many protestants don´t give importance to Christ when they refuse to believe him when Christ spoke against the divorce
And so many things more...

 

[Albion]

The movements are slow because their consecuencies are important. In catholicism, the most important is what Christ said and Christ did. For this reason when Christ said that St Peter has to command the Church in his name, it´s a great responsabilty.

Except that Christ didn't say that. Look it up.

Many protestants don´t give importance to Christ when they refuse to receive the communion or believing in the presence of Christ in the eucharisty.
Many protestants don´t give importance to Christ when they refuse to believe him when Christ spoke against the divorce
And so many things more...

Much more Christlike to live like the unGodly so long as you can get it all wiped off in the confessional and go back to the same lifestyle immediately afterwards, huh?