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He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather
with Me scatters abroad.

What does it mean to gather? As it is written:

Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion. Jeremiah 3:14

^^^ that is how the Lord gathers.

We, as ambassadors of the Lord gather with Him, as it is written, when we:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Matthew 28:19

"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Acts of the Apostles 1:8

"But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect," 1 Peter 3:15

"For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?" Romans 10:13-14

So are you saying God's people have stopped gathering? That seems to be your implication here... so I'm curious.
 
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So are you saying God's people have stopped gathering? That seems to be your implication here... so I'm curious.
I went on to quote in #5
So the implications of what Jesus is saying is that the generation that belongs to Him are they
that are committed to gathering(completing the work of others)*, sowing and reaping as well.
 
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I went on to quote in #5

So the implications of what Jesus is saying is that the generation that belongs to Him are they
that are committed to gathering(completing the work of others)*, sowing and reaping as well.

But all Christians are engaged in this work, in accord with their gifts. Whether they support the labors (financial support or with their prayers for those doing the labor), or themselves labor (shining their light as they go), they are all actively engaged for the salvation of souls.

I myself do little, but I try to touch all I know with the knowledge of Christ.. how little effect or how much effect only God knows.

So again, what point are you trying to make? Just that we should? You seemed a bit condemning of God's people in your post (as if they aren't actively working to gather) so I'm curious...
 
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So again, what point are you trying to make? Just that we should? You seemed a bit condemning of God's people in your post (as if they aren't actively working to gather) so I'm curious...
The exhortation is certainly to continue in whatever capacity you are able, as you have said. If
you are suggesting that I am condemning anyone by quoting Proverbs 30, Deuteronomy 28, or
Matthew 12:25-30, I would reply that it is Jesus who is saying "if you aren't gathering with me,
you are scattering abroad". The words of the Law, the sages, and the prophets convey the serious
nature of the admonition. I simply tied them together around the words of the sage Agur, whose name means "to gather" as he describes a people who "do not gather". I simply would call this a Bible study, centered around a key word association, which I do often, to show connections made from the Law, the prophets, the writings, and on into the New Testament.

 
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So are you saying God's people have stopped gathering? That seems to be your implication here... so I'm curious.
This implication was never made. I would say that the church overall has not lost focus on the mission
to spread gospel. I would call the study a word of exhortation for anyone who has become lukewarm.
 
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. I simply would call this a Bible study,

Okay... that's fine. It didn't come across that way when you made this accusatory statement in the OP:

"This is the generation the Lord has cursed by The Law."

But it's likely I just read it wrong... I took "this" to mean the generation we are now in. My mistake then...



 
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Many miss the implication of the Messianic Psalm 22:30, that in Christ there is one seed, one
generation.

30 "A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation".
We have always been the generation called to gather, to bear much fruit, so in that regard, the word generation is distinct from how it would normally have been used in the OT, and its genealogies.
 
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I changed the wording in the OP in reference to the Deuteronomy curses in response to your comment.
 
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I changed the wording in the OP in reference to the Deuteronomy curses in response to your comment.

You probably didn't have to do that, it was just the way I saw it... pretty sure I'd be alone there!

But God bless your conscientiousness... Maybe it will help my twin, should I have one! Haha
 
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Ahh... you know I missed that one... very good, very informative... I'll have to think of all the implications in that... there are many...
 
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