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Synod on Synodality questionaire finally finished

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Catholics only please.

It was a struggle because I suspect it was a futile thing to even bother to fill out. But then I thought that if I self-censor and don't fill it out my voice is certainly lost. If I do fill it out my voice may be lost or maybe not. So I did it. I got it in ahead of the deadline.

The questions were not always the ones I would have asked. I had limited space available in this on line form. So I had to limit what I could actually say. Here's what I said:
Do you have any additional comments on your connection to the universal Catholic Church and/or the Archdiocese of VWXYZ?

I am new here, having recently moved into this archdiocese. Connecting was slowed significantly by having so much of parish life shut down due to Covid. I feel that physical health was prioritized WAY MORE than spiritual health by leaders in the Catholic Church. Good priests did what they could, but higher ecclesiastical leaders all over the world left us in the lurch. It is finally becoming more normal, but the bad message that was given was physical health was more important than spiritual health. The balance needs to be restored and we have to not do that again, shutting the Church down and damaging the spiritual health of the lay people.

My connection to the universal Church is damaged by so many bishops and cardinals even who seem not to believe in the faith once given to the apostles. We have a powerful cardinal right now who is saying teaching on homosexuality is wrong and needs to be changed. Such a cardinal should be catechized again or if that fails be demoted.


What two options below make it the most difficult for you to participate more in the life of the Catholic Church? *

I moved here recently and am fitting in. I would like to participate in adoration as I did for 25 years at my old parish but that was a victim of Covid and has only been partially restored. We need to spiritually recover from all the damage done by the Covid shutdowns.


Do you have any additional comments on your participation in the life of the Catholic Church?

I see the Church bifurcating into a Church of believing Catholics and a church of Catholics in name only. Some of those in name only people have a lot of power in the Church and are doing their best to change this Church from a place where Jesus Christ is Lord to a place of secularized narcissism. This is in reality a major denial of the faith, and even a betrayal of the letter of Vatican II, let alone the long history of faith before it, in favor of some other spirit. This causes trouble. It saps my enthusiasm.

We need to teach the authentic faith. We have a wonderful Catechism to assist in that. But we have more and more Catholics who are ignorant of their faith because we have so few willing to teach the faith and believe the faith they teach. St. MNOPQ's parish does well but so many Catholics are so confused, lost, even alienated from the authentic faith.

We need ad orientem returned and a reform of the reform.


What is the main reason you chose your answer to the previous question?*

That parish tries to be a faithful place and a place responsive to the Holy Spirit. Their liturgies are faithful and not clowning around. The homilies are good, and not therapeutic moral deism. Two others I recommend have more traditional liturgies.


How has your life been blessed within the last three months by participating in the life and evangelizing mission of the Catholic Church?*

I have been able to go on retreat, to go to confession twice, to have attended an excellent Bible study, and to have attended a conference. Most of that has been on the receiving end. I do wish the Church would make use of people who have something to offer so we can meet the mission of spreading the good good news of Jesus Christ to a world that needs it more than ever. We do not need to conform to the world but we need to reach into the nooks and crannies of the world to bring our savior the Lord Jesus Christ to those languishing without Him. We need to get beyond synod on synodality navel gazing and offer the salvation that comes from Jesus Christ. For that we need to in many cases relearn our faith, in other words the New Evangelization of pope John Paul II is needed to get us to where we believe enough again to bring Jesus to the world. Instead I see a lot of people who would happily cancel John Paul II and Benedict XVI. We have too many blessings to throw them away for Pachamama.


In what ways do you feel called to grow in your participation in the life and evangelizing mission of the Catholic Church?*

As my parish recovers from the Covid shutdown and as I get to know my new parish better, I think I may be called to assist with Alpha. Or maybe work on followups to Alpha which I call Beta and Gamma and Delta and Epsilon. I may be called to assisting with RCIA as a mentor. I know I am called to prayer, and will participate as the Adoration Chapel opens up again. We have several generations that are being lost to the faith and I feel the calling to help some of those people back into the barque again, helping them to find an adult faith in Jesus, the one who saves, and the community of faith. We need good priests and bishops and cardinals and popes to assist in that, and not to go shooting us in the foot as much as they do. We need people who accept the Bible and the Catechism and pray and live a life of moral example. I know such people are out there, but every obvious counterexample demoralizes people like me and gives Satan a short term victory and maybe more souls to take with him.
So much more I could have said. Much of it can be found in an interview with Cardinal Muller found here: Cardinal Müller: For Faithful Catholics, It’s a ‘Time of Tribulation and Psychological Terror’

So anyway, I did it. I encourage you all to do it as well. And maybe the Synod on Synodality Navel Gazing Exercise won't be a total bust that I worry it will be.
 
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Didn’t you feel the questions were geared more towards progressives and their concerns?
Well maybe. I just thought they were not the best questions to ask. But I can see many of the questions may be engineered towards why some dissident feels disconnected. Mostly I had to figure out how to say what I wanted to say within the confines of their question. And the exceptionally limited space allowed for an answer.

Someone else who filled this particular one out thought they were after a bunch of happy thoughts. Not sure I exactly agree. I just don't think my participation in the Synod on Synodality was expected to be significant or they would have allowed for meatier replies. This seemed dumb. Dummied down. Oh well, I get to wait and see what the archdiocesan compilation of this might be.
 
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Well maybe. I just thought they were not the best questions to ask. But I can see many of the questions may be engineered towards why some dissident feels disconnected. Mostly I had to figure out how to say what I wanted to say within the confines of their question. And the exceptionally limited space allowed for an answer.

Someone else who filled this particular one out thought they were after a bunch of happy thoughts. Not sure I exactly agree. I just don't think my participation in the Synod on Synodality was expected to be significant or they would have allowed for meatier replies. This seemed dumb. Dummied down. Oh well, I get to wait and see what the archdiocesan compilation of this might be.
I was not impressed at all with it. It did not come across as sincere but part of machinations already in the works. Seems they think the laity can only handle so much. But... I have trust issues so there is that.
 
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Well maybe. I just thought they were not the best questions to ask. But I can see many of the questions may be engineered towards why some dissident feels disconnected. Mostly I had to figure out how to say what I wanted to say within the confines of their question. And the exceptionally limited space allowed for an answer.

Someone else who filled this particular one out thought they were after a bunch of happy thoughts. Not sure I exactly agree. I just don't think my participation in the Synod on Synodality was expected to be significant or they would have allowed for meatier replies. This seemed dumb. Dummied down. Oh well, I get to wait and see what the archdiocesan compilation of this might be.
 
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Wow! That's amazing in so many ways!
1. It's totally different than the questions our diocese is asking, which shows me how very large the disconnect is within the Church.
Not one single question is the same!!!
Yea, like WOW!
No wonder we have such a large disconnect in the Church, right???
 
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The one good thing about our synod questionnaire is that we are involved, we are being heard, and great new ideas are coming forth as a result.
For me this means that after two years of Covid, our parish is still alive, still Catholic, and very ready to get back to work again.
And lastly it also means that we are resolute, we haven't been sidetracked from our mission, and that we are still Catholic.
 
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In our parish, we still have one last meeting to go to before we wrap up the questionnaire.
In that meeting we will deal with the future of the world wide Catholic Church.
Yes, that's a doozy of a thing to contemplate, but never more important than now.
In our church, built in the 1960's, we have a mural on one of the inside walls. It's made of colored tiles, each one 1 inch square.
The mural is about 5 ft high by 8 ft long, and depicts Our Lady of Fatima.
I find it interesting that the people of our parish found Fatima so interesting and so important, that they included the mural in their building plans.
That speaks to me.
So my last point that I will make in our questionnaire for our Church, will be to ask our Bishop to make a request to the Pope that he reveal the 4th secret of Fatima to the World.
We ALL need that information now, more than ever before, and we need the good graces of Our Lady to bring us together again, as one Catholic and Appostolic Church.
It's high time that it is done!
 
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Wow! That's amazing in so many ways!
1. It's totally different than the questions our diocese is asking, which shows me how very large the disconnect is within the Church.
Not one single question is the same!!!
Yea, like WOW!
No wonder we have such a large disconnect in the Church, right???
Different questions?!?! How does it make sense to compile answers to apples and oranges questions? Disconnect is right.
 
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In our parish, we still have one last meeting to go to before we wrap up the questionnaire.
In that meeting we will deal with the future of the world wide Catholic Church.
Yes, that's a doozy of a thing to contemplate, but never more important than now.
In our church, built in the 1960's, we have a mural on one of the inside walls. It's made of colored tiles, each one 1 inch square.
The mural is about 5 ft high by 8 ft long, and depicts Our Lady of Fatima.
I find it interesting that the people of our parish found Fatima so interesting and so important, that they included the mural in their building plans.
That speaks to me.
So my last point that I will make in our questionnaire for our Church, will be to ask our Bishop to make a request to the Pope that he reveal the 4th secret of Fatima to the World.
We ALL need that information now, more than ever before, and we need the good graces of Our Lady to bring us together again, as one Catholic and Appostolic Church.
It's high time that it is done!
There is so much more I wanted to say but I only had so many characters per answer to do it in. I wanted to go into the whole jailers of tradition moto proprio but had to settle for mentioning only ad orientem.

As far as I know in our diocese there is no more plain old Catholic participation scheduled. Nothing apparent on whether we get to see what their compilation will be either. Kind of disappointing. My archdiocese is kind of middle of the road and the archbishop seems that way too. It may be they just aren’t that interested. In my old archdiocese we had a synod about three years ago and they had public listening sessions with the archbishop present. Normal Catholics gave him an earful about wanting normal plain old Catholicism. Then I moved.
 
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There is so much more I wanted to say but I only had so many characters per answer to do it in. I wanted to go into the whole jailers of tradition moto proprio but had to settle for mentioning only ad orientem.

As far as I know in our diocese there is no more plain old Catholic participation scheduled. Nothing apparent on whether we get to see what their compilation will be either. Kind of disappointing. My archdiocese is kind of middle of the road and the archbishop seems that way too. It may be they just aren’t that interested. In my old archdiocese we had a synod about three years ago and they had public listening sessions with the archbishop present. Normal Catholics gave him an earful about wanting normal plain old Catholicism. Then I moved.
Wow! I am so sorry to hear that!
My church really talked this up.
We had about 20 partitioners sign up, along with 6 group leaders, and our priest, who rotates where he sits for each session, so he can listen to each group personally.
We all will get copies of all the feedback from the 3 groups, and we are having 3 sessions of 1 1/2 hours each, to dig into our experiences.
In each session the questions are the same, but the focus goes from individual experiences, to the different group experiences within the Church, and finally to the world influence of the Catholic Church itself: What we like, what needs to be improved, and what direction we want our Church to go in the future.
 
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Wow! I am so sorry to hear that!
My church really talked this up.
We had about 20 partitioners sign up, along with 6 group leaders, and our priest, who rotates where he sits for each session, so he can listen to each group personally.
We all will get copies of all the feedback from the 3 groups, and we are having 3 sessions of 1 1/2 hours each, to dig into our experiences.
In each session the questions are the same, but the focus goes from individual experiences, to the different group experiences within the Church, and finally to the world influence of the Catholic Church itself: What we like, what needs to be improved, and what direction we want our Church to go in the future.
Different dioceses, different ways. Which is actually fine to a degree. But how do we compare what happened in your diocese and mine? I don't know if there is a real way to meaningfully combine the data.
 
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Well maybe. I just thought they were not the best questions to ask. But I can see many of the questions may be engineered towards why some dissident feels disconnected. Mostly I had to figure out how to say what I wanted to say within the confines of their question. And the exceptionally limited space allowed for an answer.

Someone else who filled this particular one out thought they were after a bunch of happy thoughts. Not sure I exactly agree. I just don't think my participation in the Synod on Synodality was expected to be significant or they would have allowed for meatier replies. This seemed dumb. Dummied down. Oh well, I get to wait and see what the archdiocesan compilation of this might be.



Firstly I read the article and boy did Cardinal Gerhard Muller speak the truth. He should be given a standing ovation, it is not often these days that we hear the truth spoken. I can remember more than a few years back when there were a few priests that I would listen too and I would sit there and feel like I was in a protective cocoon as they preached the word. I miss that. On a personal not I think this whole Synod is designed to make the average Catholic feel like they were engaged but the end result is in the bag.
 
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Firstly I read the article and boy did Cardinal Gerhard Muller speak the truth. He should be given a standing ovation, it is not often these days that we hear the truth spoken.
Word!
On a personal not I think this whole Synod is designed to make the average Catholic feel like they were engaged but the end result is in the bag.
Sort of how I feel. But then if I say nothing at all, then it really IS in the bag. So I filled out the questionaire. Not much other opportunity in this diocese.
 
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Word!

Sort of how I feel. But then if I say nothing at all, then it really IS in the bag. So I filled out the questionaire. Not much other opportunity in this diocese.
There wasn’t any other option for involvement in my diocese. They finally compiled a diocesan report and that was it. The report was honest enough to say that the replies were of two sorts, one sort of dissident and one more normal.

There was another attempt to gain input via ‘influencers’ and I did that at the prompting of Jimmy Akin. But I never heard what became of all of that.

The process is between some sort of continental phase and the writing of the preparatory document for the synod itself. I recognize the verbiage less and less as Catholic.
 
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