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Synagogue Stabbing In New York

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He stabbed a man. He was dangerous.

While, I would have preferred the attacker to have survived, it did not show that the police acted out of protocol. They were apparently anti terrorist police.

I am pleased the victim is in recovery and treatment.

Hate crime? Idk.
Homeless mentally ill? Idk

I don't see it as a reason to fuel the already existing divide largely built upon distrust and hate.
 
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I'm surprised the officer holstered his weapon before directing the guy to assume a submissive position when the suspect first dropped the knife. He quickly retrieved the knife and the officer had to redraw his weapon. I think at that time back up did arrive though.

I'm also surprised the bystanders were relatively close to the victim instead of getting the hell out of the area. I think they were trying to talk him down before police arrived. In the beginning of the vid they were definitely at risk. Once the officer was clearly on the scene the bystander angles were a little better. I wish this officer would have been the one to receive the Cleveland Park Tamir Rice call (12 yr old with BB gun killed by police), if so Tamir would still be alive.

(actual shot is not in the video so it should be "safe" for here without being removed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ntAF9c_uI

To me, that is why I prefer the officer take "some acceptable" risk being patient and restrained, to just give the situation a few moments so that you don't inadvertently kill a Tamir Rice.

In this case, the shooting appears justified. Lastly, I think we have officially entered the era of the video. It will be near impossible to ever have this happen in front of a group of people and someone not get it on their cell phone...

Kinda funny in a way, you here about a story and now you EXPECT to see a video of it...

the times we live in...
 
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I wonder when Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and their ilk are going to come down on the place and scream about racism, and privilege, and the like...

I hate posts like this because it serves to undermine and trivialize legitimate grievances. This situation does NOT equate to the other situations.

In the Ferguson case or Zimmerman case or other similar cases, there is enough uncertainty and ambiguity about the facts and what happened for many in the Black community to be upset and feel wronged or feel that race was an issue. Whether you agree or not, we can agree that there was enough uncertainty to muddy the waters and obscure what really happened in other cases.

In this case, there is no uncertainty, no ambiguity. We can see what happened and we can reach the same conclusion that force was appropriate.

If you honestly believe Jackson and Sharpton are going to come and raise a fuss over this incident when the evidence is clear that police acted appropriately, then I will give you 2:1 odds on any amount of money you'd like to bet.
 
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He stabbed a man. He was dangerous.

While, I would have preferred the attacker to have survived, it did not show that the police acted out of protocol. They were apparently anti terrorist police.

I am pleased the victim is in recovery and treatment.

Hate crime? Idk.
Homeless mentally ill? Idk

I don't see it as a reason to fuel the already existing divide largely built upon distrust and hate.

I never said he wasn't dangerous, or that the police acted out of protocol, or anything about "fueling the divide"...

Are you aiming your comments at me, or simply at the event in general?
 
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Lastly, I think we have officially entered the era of the video. It will be near impossible to ever have this happen in front of a group of people and someone not get it on their cell phone...

Kinda funny in a way, you here about a story and now you EXPECT to see a video of it...

the times we live in...

Does anyone else prefer NOT to watch these videos? I don't watch them for the most part, I find them way too upsetting. I don't find it entertaining or interesting to watch the final moments of someone's life like this. I feel like it cheapens them into some kind of sideshow gawk-fest.
 
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I hate posts like this because it serves to undermine and trivialize legitimate grievances. This situation does NOT equate to the other situations.

This.

This thread really wasn't intended to be some kind of inflammatory comparison to the Brown/Garner/Rice cases.

What stuck out most to me were the people begging for the cops to have mercy and spare the man's life. Knowing he had just stabbed one of their own, and had possibly murdered him, that is some amazing humanity IMO.
 
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I never said he wasn't dangerous, or that the police acted out of protocol, or anything about "fueling the divide"...

Are you aiming your comments at me, or simply at the event in general?

I was aiming my comment to the poster of the prior message, and anybody wanting to go that route.

By no means was I directing it at you. I don't believe I quoted you.

Edit: I apologize. I did quote you. I just fixed it. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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This.

This thread really wasn't intended to be some kind of inflammatory comparison to the Brown/Garner/Rice cases.

What stuck out most to me were the people begging for the cops to have mercy and spare the man's life. Knowing he had just stabbed one of their own, and had possibly murdered him, that is some amazing humanity IMO.

There is quite a bit of humanity in humans, it just so often gets overshadowed with negativity. I am pleased that the friends of the stabbed many didn't want to have another death. Good people with empathy.
 
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