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heymikey80
Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur
Jerrysch said:
I already asked you. Care to explain how you distinguish one from the other? I pointed out you consider some Revelation imagery symbolic, others literal. I consider the vision symbolic -- i tbeing an apocalyptic vision.
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heymikey80 said:
I wanted to open this up as a new discussion.... I'd like to hear some other views before I say anything more... in the interest of discussion.
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sojourner2006
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Jerrysch said:
A symbol is a material object used to represent something immaterial...i.e. a picture of a sword coming out of the Lords mouth to represent His word.
Symbols in the prophetic books of the Bible are used to disprove the teahings of dispensationalism.
Their meaning is determined by referring to a Scofield Bible and then concluding just about anything else other than what you just read.
OR...
Just pick and choose their meaning to make it fit with your escatology ala Hal Lindsey.
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sojourner2006
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Holdon, thank you for your censure it was very much needed and I do apologize.
I am somewhat new here, and having read through all these posts on the CT forum I have noticed a trend that I find rather annoying.
Most of the time when some one wants to debate their opinions on a thread, they start the thread in a somewhat disingenuous manner by baiting the thread in the form of a question.
If some one actually has a legitimate question that they want an answer to, thats great, I would like to give an opinion, but when some one has no question and is just seeking to start an argument, then that bothers me. I don't like being baited.
But having said that I should not assume that all questions are bait, nor do I need to belittle some else's understanding through sarcasm.
I am somewhat new here, and having read through all these posts on the CT forum I have noticed a trend that I find rather annoying.
Most of the time when some one wants to debate their opinions on a thread, they start the thread in a somewhat disingenuous manner by baiting the thread in the form of a question.
If some one actually has a legitimate question that they want an answer to, thats great, I would like to give an opinion, but when some one has no question and is just seeking to start an argument, then that bothers me. I don't like being baited.
But having said that I should not assume that all questions are bait, nor do I need to belittle some else's understanding through sarcasm.
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
sojourner2006 said:
Thank you. Questions are also used to encourage people to think, and to actually SEARCH the Scriptures to find biblical answers to the questions they may or may NOT have. Much of what is accepted as biblical Christianity is nothing more than glorified superstition with NO basis in fact, OR the scriptures.
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
I cannot believe that sojourner posted this comment!
LOL LOL. Why would God do that? He IS a dispensationalist! God created TWO realms...HEAVEN and EARTH. Your bible is a story of how God intends to RE ESTABLISH His rule and reign in BOTH realms.
Prophecy has to do with Gods earthly program/Israel/and is referred to in terms of Times PAST, and AGES to COME in eph 2:11-13
He then has information that was KEPT SECRET, and HID IN GOD, that is called the MYSTERY. THAT information has to do with a NEW CREATION...US, the Body of Christ and Gods HEAVENLY purpose and plan / and is referred to by the phrase BUT NOW (Eph. 2:7)
STUDY, and you will SEE these things and not make statements which are totally OUTSIDE the realm of belief simply by being unsupportable by the very word of God you are talking about.
LOL LOL. Why would God do that? He IS a dispensationalist! God created TWO realms...HEAVEN and EARTH. Your bible is a story of how God intends to RE ESTABLISH His rule and reign in BOTH realms.
Prophecy has to do with Gods earthly program/Israel/and is referred to in terms of Times PAST, and AGES to COME in eph 2:11-13
He then has information that was KEPT SECRET, and HID IN GOD, that is called the MYSTERY. THAT information has to do with a NEW CREATION...US, the Body of Christ and Gods HEAVENLY purpose and plan / and is referred to by the phrase BUT NOW (Eph. 2:7)
STUDY, and you will SEE these things and not make statements which are totally OUTSIDE the realm of belief simply by being unsupportable by the very word of God you are talking about.
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sojourner2006
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eph3Nine said:
Gee, that was the sarcasm that I had just apologized for...
But while I am here, and since you are the one claiming Paul was the "Christian apostle" and Peter was the "Jewish apostle" please explain the following passage:
" For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. Therefore let us celebrate the feast..." 1 Cor.5:7&8
Thats an awfully Jewish thing to say to the church of God at Corinth isn't it?
Was it that Paul just slipped for a moment, or maybe he wasn't up to speed yet on his dispensational doctrine?Please rightly divide this word!
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
sojourner2006 said:Gee, that was the sarcasm that I had just apologized for...
But while I am here, and since you are the one claiming Paul was the "Christian apostle" and Peter was the "Jewish apostle" please explain the following passage:
" For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. Therefore let us celebrate the feast..." 1 Cor.5:7&8
Thats an awfully Jewish thing to say to the church of God at Corinth isn't it?
Please rightly divide this word!
Early in Pauls ministry he still addressed his jewish brothers quite often. ONE verse does NOT a doctrine make, and your attempt to try and make this a contradiction is really a lame one.
I didnt know that the erroneous comment you made {that couldnt be supported} was the one you apologized for, but it looks like you have only just begun.....LOL. It is NOT we who you need to be looking to apologize to, but to He who gave the most recent revelation to mankind TO Paul for us. Rejecting it, doesnt make it not true!!
It simply means you are untaught....and thats OK. We were all in that position at one time or another....and we are willing to mail you FREE study material so that you can examine this MYSTERY program spoken of in scripture , BEFORE you continue making statements that you will only have to apologize for NOT being able to support.Think about it,. and let me know. Would be happy to make sure you get this life changing material that will certainly get you up to date on what God IS doing today.
For your information..."I" wasnt being sarcastic at ALL!!!.....I was truly appalled that you would make such a totally unsubstantiated comment and NOT expect to be called on it!
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sojourner2006
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Just right off anything that disagrees with your far fetched doctrines! Problem is, you've been shown verses that contradict your system over and over again yet your too blind see. I've really got better things to do with my time than argue with nut jobs,I'm logging off....Permanently.eph3Nine said:Early in Pauls ministry he still addressed his jewish brothers quite often. ONE verse does NOT a doctrine make, and your attempt to try and make this a contradiction is really a lame one.
I didnt know that the erroneous comment you made {that couldnt be supported} was the one you apologized for, but it looks like you have only just begun.....LOL. It is NOT we who you need to be looking to apologize to, but to He who gave the most recent revelation to mankind TO Paul for us. Rejecting it, doesnt make it not true!!
Think about it,. and let me know. Would be happy to make sure you get this life changing material that will certainly get you up to date on what God IS doing today.
For your information..."I" wasnt being sarcastic at ALL!!!.....I was truly appalled that you would make such a totally unsubstantiated comment and NOT expect to be called on it!
So have the last word...
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sojourner2006 said:
Dispensationalism does not deny that Scripture includes symbols within its text, but it does exclude the practice of making everything (or almost everything) into a symbol. It also excludes the practice of spiritualization of any text to make it say what the writter did not intend.
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sojourner2006 said:
There are areas of this forum for questions and there are areas for discussion. This is a discussional area. I do ask questions to stimulate discussion, you will find that as you discuss your belieef system with others it will strenghten you in your understanding of the word of God. You might find that some of the things you are taught on Sunday morning just do not stand up to the analysis of your fellow Christians. You might even be challenged to the point of recognizing that your understanding of Scripture is inconsistant with the meaning of Scripture. I do not seek to offend but to teach, if you are easily offened, it is not my intent to do so.
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