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Supremacy challenge part 2
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<blockquote data-quote="fargonic" data-source="post: 70505755" data-attributes="member: 363983"><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">And that doesn't change one whit what I told you about mineralogy.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">I am enjoying having you tell me all about geology and chemistry. As I said, I have a PhD in geology with focus on geo<em>chemistry</em>. I've spent the last 20 years of my career doing <strong>chemistry</strong>.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000">And that makes your original point that there is no difference other than time wrong. It may be difficult but there are some differences (not always present, but some differences).</span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">When I read about how creationists do their data gathering I find that in many cases (say, for instance Steve Austin's dating of the Mt. St. Helens Dacite) they do it so badly it is amazing. Steve Austin, for instance, relied on measurements that <strong>were by definition below the detection limits of the equipment</strong> (that's basic analytical chemistry) and he failed to parse out xenoliths etc. It was really bad science. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000">Data is data. If you collect it using bad methods you can get whatever results you like. Which is apparently what many creation scientists do.</span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>Huh? Do you know what coal looks like?</p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000">Funny how He puts the rocks in such a way that the only way to make sense of them is through deep time.</span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">See, all you needed do was say "It's a miracle! Sure it looks like this but in reality God used magic to make it!"</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000">LOL! So you are going to make decrees on geology yet you have no interest in learning it?</span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000">Wow! What if an atheist were to do that with the Bible? Would you not just laugh him or her out of the room?</span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000">Thankfully YOU can pick and choose which pieces you like. Mainly because you don't have any interest in geology. Thankfully for YOU those that DO understand geology can use the things you don't like to find materials which you enjoy!</span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #660000"></span><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">Tree of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil. A BEAUTIFUL metaphor for growing up and learning that one must take responsibility for one's actions. If you know the difference between good and evil you can no longer hide behind an innocence. You have to take responsibility for the evil you do in life.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">I LOVE that reading of it. It's VERY powerful.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">The idea of a real fruit tree called "The Knowledge of Good and Evil" with a talking snake in it seems pretty juvenile to me and doesn't hold any power or value.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">So why do you expend any effort trying to wave away "shifting sediments" and predators eating the fossils of certain animals only in certain areas? If God did a miracle why do you bother to explain <em>anything</em> ?</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)">That's <em>your </em>problem. I never said Genesis was 100% false. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"></span></p><p></p><p>Do you have a WINDOW where you live or work? <strong>Take a look outside</strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The majority of metals in your computer come from a <strong>mine</strong> (except the Si which is grown in a lab). They were found in the ground using standard geology which, about 400 years ago, accepted deep time and an old earth. It relies on the basics of these things to understand why ores occur in certain areas and how to dig down to exploit them. The petroleum that went into the plastics in your computer, same thing. Only now you can add in how we understand the generation of petroleum through heat, pressure and time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fargonic, post: 70505755, member: 363983"] [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)] And that doesn't change one whit what I told you about mineralogy. I am enjoying having you tell me all about geology and chemistry. As I said, I have a PhD in geology with focus on geo[I]chemistry[/I]. I've spent the last 20 years of my career doing [B]chemistry[/B]. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#660000]And that makes your original point that there is no difference other than time wrong. It may be difficult but there are some differences (not always present, but some differences). [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)] When I read about how creationists do their data gathering I find that in many cases (say, for instance Steve Austin's dating of the Mt. St. Helens Dacite) they do it so badly it is amazing. Steve Austin, for instance, relied on measurements that [B]were by definition below the detection limits of the equipment[/B] (that's basic analytical chemistry) and he failed to parse out xenoliths etc. It was really bad science. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#660000]Data is data. If you collect it using bad methods you can get whatever results you like. Which is apparently what many creation scientists do. [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)][/COLOR] Huh? Do you know what coal looks like? [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#660000]Funny how He puts the rocks in such a way that the only way to make sense of them is through deep time. [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)] See, all you needed do was say "It's a miracle! Sure it looks like this but in reality God used magic to make it!"[/COLOR] [COLOR=#660000] LOL! So you are going to make decrees on geology yet you have no interest in learning it? Wow! What if an atheist were to do that with the Bible? Would you not just laugh him or her out of the room? Thankfully YOU can pick and choose which pieces you like. Mainly because you don't have any interest in geology. Thankfully for YOU those that DO understand geology can use the things you don't like to find materials which you enjoy! [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)] Tree of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil. A BEAUTIFUL metaphor for growing up and learning that one must take responsibility for one's actions. If you know the difference between good and evil you can no longer hide behind an innocence. You have to take responsibility for the evil you do in life. I LOVE that reading of it. It's VERY powerful. The idea of a real fruit tree called "The Knowledge of Good and Evil" with a talking snake in it seems pretty juvenile to me and doesn't hold any power or value. So why do you expend any effort trying to wave away "shifting sediments" and predators eating the fossils of certain animals only in certain areas? If God did a miracle why do you bother to explain [I]anything[/I] ? That's [I]your [/I]problem. I never said Genesis was 100% false. [/COLOR] Do you have a WINDOW where you live or work? [B]Take a look outside[/B]. The majority of metals in your computer come from a [B]mine[/B] (except the Si which is grown in a lab). They were found in the ground using standard geology which, about 400 years ago, accepted deep time and an old earth. It relies on the basics of these things to understand why ores occur in certain areas and how to dig down to exploit them. The petroleum that went into the plastics in your computer, same thing. Only now you can add in how we understand the generation of petroleum through heat, pressure and time. [/QUOTE]
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