Suicide; Where do you end up?

[Matt04]

I'm sure this has been discussed more than once, but I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on it, and I couldn't find a thread about it. So hear it goes!

If a christian commits suicide, what is your belief about where he will end up and why? It is my belief that it would be heaven, as suicide (murder) is just another sin. To me if you believe that suicide would lead a christian to hell, then you believe that a Christian must be perfect as it is possible to die in during any number of sins, for example get in a drunk driving accident, die in the middle of a lie, etc.

 

[HoT-MetaL]

Look at the Jews at Masada.

Perhaps things arent quite as black and white as we think.

God Bless, metal.

 

[Suffolk Sean]

I'm sure this has been discussed more than once, but I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on it, and I couldn't find a thread about it. So hear it goes!

If a christian commits suicide, what is your belief about where he will end up and why? It is my belief that it would be heaven, as suicide (murder) is just another sin. To me if you believe that suicide would lead a christian to hell, then you believe that a Christian must be perfect as it is possible to die in during any number of sins, for example get in a drunk driving accident, die in the middle of a lie, etc.

Are you looking to hear that suicide is ok? It isn't, in any way, shape, or form. However God is gracious and merciful and loves His children and feels their hurts along with them.

I let God be the judge of those who decide to take their own life. For He knows them better than I.

 

[nephilimiyr]

You're asking us to judge something we have no business judgeing. I don't believe there is a way for anyone to say where a person would end up if they commit suicide. I don't believe God uses a graph to tell him what he should do concerning any sin. It all comes down to whether God sees his gift of salvation upon that person. I don't believe you can find any christian who can give you an answer to this question because God is the only one who knows everything about the person who commit's the sin of suicide and that's what makes him the rightful judge...not us. We are told to judge but only in a limited way, I believe we have boundries to what we can judge and the salvation of fellow christians after they have passed away is not one of them.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Are you looking to hear that suicide is ok? It isn't, in any way, shape, or form. However God is gracious and merciful and loves His children and feels their hurts along with them.

I let God be the judge of those who decide to take their own life. For He knows them better than I.

Pretty much what I said and I totally agree.

 

[herev]

NOT committing suicide is not a way unto salvation, so suicide is not a determining factor in eternal condemnation. Salvation is by grace through faith, eternal condemnation must therefore come from a lack of faith

 

[hola]

The Lake of fire...

You can disagree, I'd like to hear more perspectives.

Would anybody feel okay with helping someone else take their life?

 

[porcupine]

I'm sure this has been discussed more than once, but I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on it, and I couldn't find a thread about it. So hear it goes!

If a christian commits suicide, what is your belief about where he will end up and why? It is my belief that it would be heaven, as suicide (murder) is just another sin. To me if you believe that suicide would lead a christian to hell, then you believe that a Christian must be perfect as it is possible to die in during any number of sins, for example get in a drunk driving accident, die in the middle of a lie, etc.

Besides the fact that your last act is a murder (and no murderer has a part in the kingdom of God), you are acting out the supreme act of unbelief. God says He will never give you more than you can bear, and you are saying, by suicide, that this is not true. You are simply not believing at that time.

Hell.

 

[servant4ever]

I guess my question is for you Matt04, are you thinking of committing suicide?

servant4ever

 

[skeptic7]

What I don't understand is if your a Christian, why would you commit suicide, Jesus is the bearer of our burdens. Clearly its a sin, but whether or not you go to hell or not.... idk, i just don't see a Christian commiting suicide suicide.

 

[frumanchu]

I'm sure this has been discussed more than once, but I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on it, and I couldn't find a thread about it. So hear it goes!

If a christian commits suicide, what is your belief about where he will end up and why? It is my belief that it would be heaven, as suicide (murder) is just another sin. To me if you believe that suicide would lead a christian to hell, then you believe that a Christian must be perfect as it is possible to die in during any number of sins, for example get in a drunk driving accident, die in the middle of a lie, etc.

Let me say very carefully that suicide is not automatic disqualification from Heaven. There is clear cut, irrefutable proof of this in the Old Testament:

28"Then Samson called to the LORD, saying, "O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray! Strengthen me, I pray, just this once, O God, that I may with one blow take vengeance on the Philistines for my two eyes!" 29And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars which supported the temple, and he braced himself against them, one on his right and the other on his left. 30Then Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" And he pushed with all his might, and the temple fell on the lords and all the people who were in it. So the dead that he killed at his death were more than he had killed in his life." - Judges 16:28-30

That being said, one who would in deep depression take their own life shows little of the hope that accompanies those who are His.

It is faith which saves. It is very difficult to conceive of a situation in which one who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and who trusts in Christ for their salvation would choose to take their own life selfishly.

I would say, again carefully, that as a general rule your common "suicide" is performed by one who is not saved.

 

[bliz]

I think it is quite appropriate for Christians to think about this subject. Honest and forthright answers are not going to encourage people to commit suicide.

A Christian who kills themselves is no more damned than a person who has a nasty thought about someone right before a semi truck plows into their car. All of us will die with unrepentended sin in our lives, if only due to the fact that we are so sinful, we are often quite unaware of when we are sinning.

Most people who kill themselves are suffering from depression or other mental problems or are in extreme pain or distress of some kind. These folks are not thinking clearly at that time. I believe that they are making a mistake when they make that choice, but I do not believe that it is a choice that will keep them out of heaven.

For those of you who cannot imagine ever wanting to take your own life, thank God that you have not known the pain and trouble that afflicts others and limits their vision and faith in God.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

Objectively, suicide is a mortal sin of which damnation is the consequence. However, we cannot judge the subjectivity of the individual sin. We do not know the culpability of the person that committed this sin, only God can judge this.

I would also like to know why you are asking. If you need any help or assistance please please pm me.

 

[Anti-Fear]

Suicide is very wrong for a number of reasons:
- God sent you to Earth for His purposes. By killing yourself you say "no God, I dont want to live , I dont care if you created me"
- Suicide means that the person doesnt believe that whatever problem they have can be solved by God
- Suicide is wrong because its showing that you don't care about other people who may love you. You dont care how they'll react and how much trauma it will cause them, you care about your trouble.
- Suicide is wrong because it cannot help, you are forever disconnected from God and your suffering will be much worse.
- Another simple logic problem: If you can kill yourself and go to Heaven (like you suggested) then there is no point for anyone to live and everyone can just kill themselves and go to Heaven.
- To go to Heaven a Christian doesn't have to be perfect because no person is perfect. You may not be perfect but realize that there are things you did wrong and confess to God. (I am not clear what you meant by perfect)
- as to drunk driving or dying in a middle of a lie, I think it does make sense to believe that its possible that the person who dies during that act may indeed go to Hell. I don't see why not.


Do you have any more questions? I will try to answer best I can.

I'm sure this has been discussed more than once, but I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on it, and I couldn't find a thread about it. So hear it goes!

If a christian commits suicide, what is your belief about where he will end up and why? It is my belief that it would be heaven, as suicide (murder) is just another sin. To me if you believe that suicide would lead a christian to hell, then you believe that a Christian must be perfect as it is possible to die in during any number of sins, for example get in a drunk driving accident, die in the middle of a lie, etc.

 

[porcupine]

Let me say very carefully that suicide is not automatic disqualification from Heaven. There is clear cut, irrefutable proof of this in the Old Testament:

28"Then Samson called to the LORD, saying, "O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray! Strengthen me, I pray, just this once, O God, that I may with one blow take vengeance on the Philistines for my two eyes!" 29And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars which supported the temple, and he braced himself against them, one on his right and the other on his left. 30Then Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" And he pushed with all his might, and the temple fell on the lords and all the people who were in it. So the dead that he killed at his death were more than he had killed in his life." - Judges 16:28-30

This is no more suicide than someone who drowns in the process of saving children from drowning. It is giving one's life to perform a necessary good.

 

[The Midge]

Sampson is not an example to be followed in any event- drinking, whoreing, murdering and ritually unthinkable things. A suicide would not make much of an addition to his account. Nor would it make that much of an addition to any of our ledgers. It would be a tragedy but nothing that the grace of Christ could not cover.

Here on earth the effects on those left behind and are bereaved would be no less devastating. That is not a reason to heap more coals onto anyone who is desperate enough to take their own life. Brethren bring them love, hope and compassion; not condemnation.

 

[Carl Carlson]

I used to firmly believe hell would be the destination for one who had commited suicide, because they end their life with murdering themselves. However I have come to the understanding of what our life in God really is and all the intangibles that cause us to sin. The sins that we commit seperate us from God, but living by Faith in Jesus Christ and obeying the voice of The Spirit will bring us life and to have it abundantly.

The only unforgiveable sin is blasphamy of the Holy Spirit, rejecting the presence of God inside of us. There are many things that could happen to a person where suicide becomes a reality: mental/psychological problem in which we make a mistake, unbelieveable physical pain that has no chance of recovery (I don't want to open another discussion on this, I'm just making a list of possibilities), risking one's life to save another, ultimately taking your own...

Jesus knew he made a suicidal decision and allowed Himself to be crucified...I'm not condoning suicide, but I cannot completely condemn it either.

I can't say that the person would go to hell. I cannot judge that, that's for God to decide and ultimately He will do what is best.

Praise God.

 

[Crispie]

If your saved you go to heaven, if your not, well then you go to hell. A person who is saved goes to heaven if he commits suicide. Give me one verse that says suicide=automatic hell for anyone even saved and Ill change my mind about that one

 

[good4u]

If a christian commits suicide, what is your belief about where he will end up and why?

A former pastor in a church I attended committed suicide. It was tragic for his witness, family and church family. He was a high profile pastor as well. It is indeed a serious sin to take your own life, for that right belongs to God alone. However, if you have a saving relationship to the Lord suicide will not separate you from Him. It is not the unforgiveable sin in the sight of God.

 

[porcupine]

There are several mentions that suicide is "not the unforgivable sin" but it could be the "sin unto death" spoken of in 1 John 5:16. The thing to remember here is that us is UNREPENTED sin -- and murder, to boot. There is a relatively short list of people who will defenitely not make it into the kingdom and murderer is on that list. It is a load of bullhockey to say if someone is "saved" that they will still go to heaven if they commit this murder. Let me ask you, what if someone who was "saved" was in the middle of molesting and mutilating to death a 3-year-old child had a fatal heart attack? Will we all dance around Jesus' throne with this man? "Saved" is not a one-time shot. The Bible talks about those of us who "have been saved" AND about us "being saved" (as in a continuing process) AND about us being saved "at the end." Remember that Jesus said, "He that ENDURETH TO THE END, the same shall be saved." A suicide does not "endure" -- they quit.