Successive Evolutions, require broader powers of God

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So yes, I came to realise what the proper response to Evolution was: the further into Evolution you go, the more you need to repent, the greater you need a power of God and the more successive resurrections you have to follow.

1) more repentance
2) broader godliness
3) more succeedant resurrections

1) distinguishes between mutation and adaptation
2) encompasses available response to selection
3) brings forward successive relationships to a coherent focus

I am sure you will want to look this over. The point is God's forgiveness is flexible: if you honestly think you came from a monkey, God will forgive you for having tried to have been a monkey; if you honestly think being human is the pinnacle of success without Jesus, God will forgive you for leaving out Jesus. He really actually loves you!

How far can you stretch it? Jesus said "seventy times seven", but realistically that means without end.

I hope you enjoy your forgiveness; God bless.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Hi there,

So yes, I came to realise what the proper response to Evolution was: the further into Evolution you go, the more you need to repent, the greater you need a power of God and the more successive resurrections you have to follow.

1) more repentance
2) broader godliness
3) more succeedant resurrections

1) distinguishes between mutation and adaptation
2) encompasses available response to selection
3) brings forward successive relationships to a coherent focus

I am sure you will want to look this over. The point is God's forgiveness is flexible: if you honestly think you came from a monkey, God will forgive you for having tried to have been a monkey; if you honestly think being human is the pinnacle of success without Jesus, God will forgive you for leaving out Jesus. He really actually loves you!

How far can you stretch it? Jesus said "seventy times seven", but realistically that means without end.

I hope you enjoy your forgiveness; God bless.

I'd agree or not if I could work out what you were trying to say.

 

[DebbieJ]

Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

 

[Ophiolite]

I am sure you will want to look this over.

Not for the first time you couldn't be more wrong. (But I'm sure you'll give it a go.)

 

[Ophiolite]

Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

One small amendment: the current classification has humans clearly identified as apes. Or, more precisely, the other great apes (the genera Pan, Gorilla and Pongo) are classified, along with Homo, in the family Hominidae.

 

[VirOptimus]

By maturing, we dream.
We exist as a resonance cascade. This life is nothing short of a summoning rebirth of dynamic freedom.
You may be ruled by stagnation without realizing it. Do not let it obliterate the healing of your vision quest.
Have you found your myth? How should you navigate this powerful biosphere? It can be difficult to know where to begin.

Today, science tells us that the essence of nature is rejuvenation. We self-actualize, we reflect, we are reborn. The goal of morphic resonance is to plant the seeds of being rather than discontinuity.

This quest never ends. It is in unfolding that we are re-energized. We are being called to explore the totality itself as an interface between gratitude and conscious living.

Eons from now, we adventurers will reflect like never before as we are awakened by the planet.
Imagine an unveiling of what could be. It is a sign of things to come. The galaxy is approaching a tipping point.

 

[Ophiolite]

By maturing, we dream.
We exist as a resonance cascade. This life is nothing short of a summoning rebirth of dynamic freedom.
You may be ruled by stagnation without realizing it. Do not let it obliterate the healing of your vision quest.
Have you found your myth? How should you navigate this powerful biosphere? It can be difficult to know where to begin.


Today, science tells us that the essence of nature is rejuvenation. We self-actualize, we reflect, we are reborn. The goal of morphic resonance is to plant the seeds of being rather than discontinuity.

This quest never ends. It is in unfolding that we are re-energized. We are being called to explore the totality itself as an interface between gratitude and conscious living.

Eons from now, we adventurers will reflect like never before as we are awakened by the planet.
Imagine an unveiling of what could be. It is a sign of things to come. The galaxy is approaching a tipping point.

Pedestrian, plagiarism, pastiche, patronising and perambulation all begin with the letter P. Just saying.

 

[VirOptimus]

Pedestrian, plagiarism, pastiche, patronising and perambulation all begin with the letter P. Just saying.

Yea, its all part of the (p)cosmos. Just as (p)evolution cascades into the (p)physical universe.

 

[dqhall]

Hi there,

So yes, I came to realise what the proper response to Evolution was: the further into Evolution you go, the more you need to repent, the greater you need a power of God and the more successive resurrections you have to follow.

1) more repentance
2) broader godliness
3) more succeedant resurrections

1) distinguishes between mutation and adaptation
2) encompasses available response to selection
3) brings forward successive relationships to a coherent focus

I am sure you will want to look this over. The point is God's forgiveness is flexible: if you honestly think you came from a monkey, God will forgive you for having tried to have been a monkey; if you honestly think being human is the pinnacle of success without Jesus, God will forgive you for leaving out Jesus. He really actually loves you!

How far can you stretch it? Jesus said "seventy times seven", but realistically that means without end.

I hope you enjoy your forgiveness; God bless.

Some things are not genetic. The use of fire, tool making, domesticated grain and orchard husbandry were learned. God has guided people on paths of knowledge not programmed into their genes at birth.

 

[Ophiolite]

Yea, its all part of the (p)cosmos. Just as (p)evolution cascades into the (p)physical universe.

Now you are just taking the P's.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

So the theory goes today... but for many decades believers in Darwinism did widely believe that we came from something much closer to modern apes, demanded by 'evidence' like Piltdown man

Some still argue that we did come from 'apes' but that is demanded more by the theory today rather than direct evidence.

And since Piltdown man in turn played a crucial role in establishing that theory.. it's something of a circular argument.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So the theory goes today... but for many decades believers in Darwinism did widely believe that we came from something much closer to modern apes, demanded by 'evidence' like Piltdown man

Some still argue that we did come from 'apes' but that is demanded more by the theory today rather than direct evidence.

And since Piltdown man in turn played a crucial role in establishing that theory.. it's something of a circular argument.

Not really. Piltdown man may have made a splash in the media, but for people working in the field it was always something of an oddity that didn't fit. It had no effect at all on the theory of evolution, so it's not clear what theory you're talking about.

 

[Ophiolite]

So the theory goes today... but for many decades believers in Darwinism did widely believe that we came from something much closer to modern apes, demanded by 'evidence' like Piltdown man

Some still argue that we did come from 'apes' but that is demanded more by the theory today rather than direct evidence.

And since Piltdown man in turn played a crucial role in establishing that theory.. it's something of a circular argument.

1. We are apes. This is not in dispute amongst biologists.
2. Piltdown Man provided a minor measure of support, but was questioned by several experts, almost from its first announcement.
3. If you are going to argue against evolution you really ought to learn something about it first.

Edit: cross-posted with FB.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Gottservant still makes no attempt to actually learn about evolution, I see.

 

[Shemjaza]

So the theory goes today... but for many decades believers in Darwinism did widely believe that we came from something much closer to modern apes, demanded by 'evidence' like Piltdown man

Not really.

If humans and other apes are closely related, then it stands to reason that the ancestral forms would be closer together in form. So species with transitional structures would have to have existed.

The scammers knew this and constructed what they thought would be convincing.

Some still argue that we did come from 'apes' but that is demanded more by the theory today rather than direct evidence.

Actually both. It's a prediction of the theory... and we have found many, many transitional species between modern apes and humans.

And since Piltdown man in turn played a crucial role in establishing that theory.. it's something of a circular argument.

Totally false. The prediction of transitional species existed before the fake was created, that's why it was created.

 

[loveofourlord]

Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

humans ARE apes and monkeys, and we evolved from them. The ancestor between humans and apes would have been called a ape in modern times, same with monkeys, you can't escape your ancestry.

 

[Gottservant]

The point is that God is not baffled by Evolution.

He knows what adaptation will help your survival.

This is the picture of a caring God, not a superficial and callous science?

 

[Gottservant]

I was going to start a thread, titled: God is able to have more Evolution waiting in the wings, than an "evolution" can try to have ready? (but I realised it would be better in this thread). The point being, whether it be "powers of God" or "references of God", the point is the same: it is something that God has command over, that He is able to impart to us...

I actually realize this is in danger of being half-brained, because it requires you to have the faith that God understands "Evolution" - when I doubt even the most adamant Evolutionist, truly understands it. The point being, that in principle, God can understand anything and being "God" can understand "Evolution". The title itself, for this thread, is a play on the idea that God speaks better gibberish, than Evolution can pretend evolves from a speech mutation. The sense in which God speaks "gibberish", is the sense in which "it is the least that He can "evolve"".

The difficulty I think, is to leap from the notion that God can apply selection pressure to gibberish and produce something that is better than nominal a survival of words, on the understanding that God "can do anything". God can't make a square circle, and I daresay He cannot create a sensible gibberal statement - but if God needs to create sense from mutation, that is what He is required to do? Can God create better than gibberish, if it is truly "at random"?

Supposing that you can make this leap, then, gives room for the idea that God can develop Evolution, better than any of "His" creatures can do. Do you understand what I mean? I mean God is able to develop more than Evolution, for His creature and His sake together. It is not a disappointment to God that Evolutionists want to start somewhere, that is not exactly "in His Will",, rather He want to take Evolutionists from where they find their being,,, to where they find their flourishing - adaptation, is just a bump in the road,, to getting people to make the most of their design,,, as any sensible creature would desire to do without taking sideroads to the same end.

Can you see where I am taking this? From God to Evolution to Flourishing, at least a little? I may never speak more than gibberish, if I can't work this out,, but God is in the struggle,,, not necessarily in the end result - fundamentally that is why I keep trying to come at Evolution from the perspective of common sense: it should not be a theory of private interpretation, by any means! I am not saying you are guilty of private interpretation, but that you should at least be aware of the danger of it, if not the actual crime...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Gottservant, no-one understands what you say, and I doubt that you even understand what you say, about evolution because it is absolutely clear that you understand nothing about evolution.

Serious question here: why do you refuse to learn about evolution?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

The OP has nothing to do with Evolution. Just because you use the word "evolution" in the post doesn't make it the subject of the post. This is proselytizing/apologetics and belongs over in a Christians Only forum.