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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam
 

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Hello brother,
the prophet Mohammed definitely did some questionable things. First, Christians are instructed to love and respect everyone! So, respect is key. Acts of violence, rape, and sexual immorality are condemned in the bible.

And I regrettably point out that the Islamic God is not the same as the Christian God, despite what some claim.

Love you, and I hope you can connect with God and experience the benefits of love, compassion through the Holy Spirit.
 
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What are you asking? Does Islam teach that Jesus had an underage wife? I know some about Islam, but not a whole lot in those respects.
 
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Hello, Inzamam. Firstly, welcome to CF. I hope you'll find your time here helpful.

As to your question, while the age of maturity has varied across the world at different times, I think probably most Christians would say that marrying a girl of such a young age, especially to a much older man as was the case when Muhammad married 'Aisha, is not in keeping with our faith. Muslims sometimes respond to this by pointing out that St. Joseph was an old man when he married St. Mary, but this is very much not the same, since it is a big deal in Christianity that St. Mary remained a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, so we do not believe that St. Mary and St. Joseph ever had sexual contact (at least in more traditional forms of Christianity like Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism; I cannot speak for everyone who claims Christianity, of course). I believe this is even the same in your religion, that Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.

I am not aware of any Muslims who say that 'Aisha remained a virgin after marrying Muhammad. That is a big difference. So we do not really have the same issue as in your religion.

If you have any other questions or follow up questions, feel free to ask.
 
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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam
As a Christian, I don't come to grips with a man having an underaged wife. It is sinful. That is why I believe in Jesus Christ. He is God in the flesh. Therefore, He was the only man born with a life to give that would be accepted as payment for my sins. Then, being raised from the dead, He could offer the life of God that was lost when Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden as a gift to those who believe in Him as their savior. That is why Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)." Grace and Peace.
 
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The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Hi.

We consider rape to be a sin. There wouldn't be much of a problem coming to grips with something so evident.

However, we would also be unlikely to believe such a person could actually be a prophet of God.
 
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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam

In the Christian faith ... it is all about Jesus and Jesus being the son of God. That being the case, Jesus is our teacher and example in how we are to live our lives. We are to pattern ourselves after Him.

This is my understanding about the Muslim faith ... let me know if it is not correct.

Muslims don't believe Jesus was the son of God, but they do revere him as a holy prophet.

The Bible provides no specific direction regarding the proper age for a man or woman to enter into marriage. This means the believer has liberty in this area: we may marry at whatever age seems best to us.

However, on the other hand, the believer is also required to obey the governing authorities over us ... unless in opposition to the Lords word.

So in the case of marriage ... we go by mans law (as put forth by our governments)
 
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How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?
Christians don't have to get to grips with such a problem because no prophet of God has ever kept an under age wife!
 
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Welcome, @Inzamam. I hope you find the answers you're looking for.

There are many things that I find troubling about Islam. It places inordinate weight on the revelations of one man written over a short period of time, whereas the Bible was written by dozens of men of God over many hundreds of years and yet presents a consistent message.

And as you suggest, the record of that one man's life is very troubling, indeed. Marrying many times; marrying his daughter in law; allowing himself more wives than other men; and much more.

As soon as it became convenient, Muhammad abrogated the "no coercion in religion" clause and took up the sword. Spreading Islam by bloody conquest is not a function of sinful men not following the religion's tenets, as did happen with Christianity at times most sadly; it is in direct obedience to the teachings and example of Islam's founder. It is part and parcel of the religion, and obligatory.

There are also questions about the integrity of the Koran, since it was edited at a certain point and all other versions were forcibly destroyed. We have no such problem with our Scriptures.

If you examine the Christian Scriptures, you'll find something quite different than the Koran. Jesus led a perfect life and exhibited the highest possible moral virtue. And in the end He laid down His life for us self-sacrificially: "greater love has no man, but that he lay down his life for his friends", He says at one point.

As I have said, sometimes Christians don't get it right. Sometimes we get it very wrong. But the teachings and example of Jesus still stand as a perfect light in this dark world. And He assures all who will place their trust in Him that He will grant them eternal life, for He holds the keys to Hell and the grave, and eternal life is His to give. When Muhammad died, he had no assurance of salvation.

You can find a lot of powerful information on Islam v. Christianity through the youtube videos of "Acts 17 Apologetics". But the best source remains the Bible, especially the New Testament.

One really great testimony by a former Muslim high up in the 1979 Iranian Revolution can be seen here.

Some other testimonies: The Good Way

May the Lord bless.
 
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The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?
We need to remember to look at people living centuries before us through a historic lens rather than pass judgement on them from our modern point of view. If we look at Muhammad and his actions through a historical lens, while they may appear abnormal or unacceptable by our modern day perspective, they may have been the norm for the point in history in which he lived. History tells is that Child brides were common at the point in history Muhammad lived and was was practiced by people from many different religions and backgrounds, therefore; his act of having what we consider to be an underage wife today was not seen that way in the period of time he lived. This same principle would also apply to Muhammad practicing polygamy as this too was common in his day and had been been a practice of patriarchal civilizations long before he and the religion of Islam came into existence.
 
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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam


We would likewise have a problem with that because in Christianity somebody that is a leader is someone who is suppose to be exemplary and objectively speaking Mohammed does not look like he holds to many of the standards he preaches (in spite of what the Koran says about him).


We don't really have that problem in Christianity, the closest parallel are the pro-genocide passages in the early part of the Old Testament like the book of Joshua and Exodus (where God ordered the Canaanites to be killed etc.). We tend to deal with that / rationalize that as something that was necessary to establish ancient Israel, the people of that region and time were corrupt etc. but overall something that was done as a kind of Dispensation, something that was true or allowed in the early times, but not part of what we allow now because The Gospels, epistles and other new testament writings are what we base our thought and behavior on now in this age and Covenant.
 
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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam

What I'd probably do if I were in your position is study the status and social mores of ancient Jewish women and their marriages that were situated within the context of ancient Jewish society.

That's about it. Oh, and maybe look into the history of the development of the concept of "legal age" as it has manifested itself in Western Culture and Western legal thought. :cool:
 
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Because of your question, I imagine that we are more similar in heart than our theology differs in mind Inzamam. We both believe that if objective moral values and duties exist (True morality), then God exists as the paradigm, or standard, to which they refer. So it is a matter of which character has the nature that is the paradigm to which goodness refers. Anselm defined God as a being of which no greater can be conceived. You are already conceiving of a being which would be greater, that is, one that would not consider it holy to take to wife one who is not ready.

Allah seems to present himself as worthy of worship because of his power. However Jesus is worthy of worship because of His nature. That thing in you, which is now perceiving what good ought to look like is my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is His nature, which our moral faculties point toward. The incompatibility you feel between Islam and your moral heart is because you are holding Allah up to a moral standard for which he falls short.

Yahweh, who could have washed his hands of man, sent His son to redeem man, and He paid a terrible price to ransom us from death and put us back into a relationship with Him. "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13
 
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A major example of the Lord Jesus Christ declaring His is found in John 14:6. John 14 in its entirety is important; in John 14:15-18, the Lord clearly identifies the Persons of God that we formally know as Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. The Lord further explains things in John 15 & identifies that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father in John 15:26. In the Gospel of Matthew, the Lord clearly indicates that the final prophet is John the Baptist ( see Matthew 11:1-13).

Notice the Lord emphasizes the keeping of His commandments. These are specified elsewhere like in Matthew 6:1-18, Matthew 7:1-12, Matthew 22:36-40, Matthew 19:16-19, Romans 13:8-10 etc.

The Lord shows that there are right and wrong ways to keep His commandments. A right way is actually exemplified by a non believer as in the Good Samaritan ( see Luke 10:25-37). A wrong way is exemplified by a presumptuous believer ( see Luke 18:9-14).

The Lord’s examples of right faith & deeds are what we need to ponder within what the Lord says in John 3:16-21 & John 5:22-30. St. Paul explains much of this in Romans 2. For believers St. Paul sums up salvation in Ephesians 2:8-10.
 
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Inzamam said:
Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam

Time for a reboot.

Correctly the mod deleted my post; and I confess to being somewhat jaded whenever a Muslim posts something like that on a Christian forum. On another forum, I saw similar language used as a pretext to try to convert posters to Islam. Therefore I assumed that there may be something similar going on.

As the saying goes, "Once burned, twice learned." That is the reason I was posting something ultimately off topic. I wanted to "get ahead of the curve" of where the discussion could have gone.

As to the question of Inzamam, marriage age differs in many cultures. This is a true story.

Our church's denomination is known as a church-planting denomination. By that, I mean that we send missionaries to many different countries. Our express purpose is to build indigenous churches that in turn send other missionaries and pastors to create churches in new countries, and in difficult in-country places. We were in Laos working with Hmong tribes well before the Vietnam war.

When Vietnam fell in 1972, it opened the door for the insurgents to go expand their influence. Our Caucasian missionaries fled, and the churches they planted continued as the Hmong people (mostly subsistence farmers) escaped to Thailand, eventually having refugee camps in the Philippines.

Many refugees came out of those camps and resettled in the US. My wife and I were living in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, and our church, (very international) sponsored them and helped them get acclimated to the US culture.

We worked with the teens, and with infants teaching them USA standards of health and hygiene. Of course, we assumed that they married in their 20s, as we did.

One time a regular attender, My Ker, a 13 years old girl stopped coming. After investigating, and involvement by Philadelphia Child Protection Services, and the Philadelphia School District, we discovered that she married her 16 years-old boyfriend, and was living with him in his extended family's home.

Of course, we were shocked. But the adults who were mature, well-taught Christians were shocked at the response of the authorities. In actuality, all they did was follow the customs of their culture in Laos, marry early, and live a short, hard life as subsistence farmers.

So, Inzamam, there are several answers to your question, and they are all related to the culture.

When I attended a world-wide conference of our denomination in Orlando, I met several pastors from Africa who were bigamists, having two wives, and that really shocked me. Later I found out that while pagans, they took two wives, as part of their culture. Once they became Christians, the big issue became "what to do with the extra wife".

In reality, they were a strong family unit, and it was unfair (and against the qualifications for being a pastor) to divorce.

Therefore, the higher ups made the exception to honor the bigamist marriage, and prohibit the practice and the ceremony of blessing bigamy for other Christians, if they did not already have two wives.

That is how it worked in my denomination; others may see it differently. For example an acquaintance from Elmira NY has a brother who is a Catholic priest in Africa, who has a wife.

Long answer, but true stories. Hope this helps you, but in the USA, bigamy is prohibited by all the states. So while it was finally OK for My ker to marry at 13, her husband could not take on another wife.
 
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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam

God's eyewitnesses in OT are called the prophets for a reason.

First humans lack the ability to know a future. They thus need a God to tell them what it is.

Second, history is made of multiple testimonies witnessed by the supposed eyewitnesses then gathered by a historian. The reliability and credibility of the eyewitnesses are examined by the historian and others, and subsequently the reliability and credibility of the historian/author are examined by people back to the point a history is written. Even in today's world, we choose to believe the US media such as CNN instead of the Russian media because under our examination the US media is more trustworthy.

The Bible is about how the OT prophets all witnessed an portrayed the same God through their testimonies. These prophets' reliability and credibility are subject to the examination of the Jews back then for their testimonies to be written down and conveyed.

Now how God would confirm to the prophets that He's God but not another human? God, an invisible entity, shows the He's God by conveniently doing two things which humans are incapable of doing. 1) to tell a future, and 2) to perform a miracle (breaking our physics laws. He authenticated His chosen prophets in the same manner by enabling them to prophesy and performing miracles. That's why all His eyewitnesses in OT are called the prophets. They all acquire info from God directly.

Mohammed's testimony is a broken testimony as he's not a first hand eyewitness, he has to rely on an unknown angel to get the info while the reliability and credibility of this angel (as eyewitness) cannot be examined by humans back then. Mohammed is not authenticated by prophecies or miracles as other OT prophets are.
 
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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam

Hi, Inzamam
Quite a few years ago I began my journey searching for truth. I've read around 3/4 of your Koran and much of the Bible. I was searching Science, Archeology, Prophecy, meeting and talking with Christians and Muslims. At the end of my search I chose to Follow and become a servant of GOD the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ HIS Son but not to follow a church or any man made organization of any religion. So I became a follower of Christ which some say is Christian. I found many things within Islam that were incompatible with Christ's teachings and incompatible with Science, Archeology and Prophecy. I found many truths within the Bible that I could not dispute. Within your religion you know it states Christ was pure and you know, all that GOD does is for a reason. So, if I were in your position, I would then see why GOD made Christ pure and not any of the other prophets. Then consider Christ's word and see how it aligns with GOD's, not what any others say. If you truly wish to seek GOD's truth you have to question all things of any organization, religion and of man.

I hope your journey to truth continues and that GOD will guide you and give you the strength to accept the truth you find.

Peace be to all those in the body of Christ
 
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Inzamam. Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever told a lie? Then by your own admission your a lying thief like the rest of us. You need a savior for forgiveness of sins. Mohammed doesn’t offer that but Jesus does. Jesus is God.
 
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Hello my brothers and sisters under God.

I am Inzamam from Pakistan. I am here to find out more about Christianity as I am struggling to reconcile parts of my Muslim faith. The story of the prophet is sacred and holy but there are some aspects that make me uncomfortable like his keeping of an under age wife. How would a Christian get to grips with such a problem?

Thank you kindly.

Your friend, Inzamam

Welcome to Christian Forums, friend!

The ages of marriage have varied greatly throughout history and in different cultures. Typically, however, girls were not offered in marriage until they reached puberty, so they could bear children. Marrying off a little girl much younger than this does seem irreconcilable to me, and to most people, I imagine. From what I have read, Muhammad married a six year old child, and had sex with her when she was nine. This is immoral in every way.

It's a good thing to question what we believe. No matter who we are or what belief system we've grown up with. If something is true and good and right, it will stand up to questions and doubts and examination.
 
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