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Why are only 144000 allowed to know the truth and the rest allowed to be decieved? Sounds unfair
shturt678 said in post 146:
Fig Tree: "This generation" consists of the type of Jews whom Jesus contended with during this Tuesday, Matt.21:23-23:39.
dfw69 said in post 148:
Why are only 144000 allowed to know the truth and the rest allowed to be decieved?
dfw69 said in post 148:
Why are only 144000 allowed to know the truth and the rest allowed to be decieved?
The 144,000 is the full compliment of all who have trusted Christ...that's what it is...and they are "True Israel""Regarding the 144,000, they will all be Christians (Revelation 14:1,4), and so they will all be part of the church
Which tribe are you from B2?"
Your "could be", "might be" mix of teaching along with your insistence of things like the 144000 of the children of Israel is "the church" is highly deceptive
The 144,000 is the full compliment of all who have trusted Christ...that's what it is...and they are "True Israel"
The 12 tribes are used as a way to show this is the full compliment of all believers.
It's just not understood in the light of futurism.
Another Lazarus said in post 156:
antichrist shall summon fire to fall from the sky in front of people, even though he looked like a christian, he isn't.
Hey Sis! I'm doing well.Hey Ebster, hows it going bro?
I have a question, because Im no good at this stuff (its got numbers and counting things going on) and so I know I must ask (in that)
But I was curious, do these connect at all? Just how its worded between
Right here (see prior verse) its speaking of Zion
Psalm 87:6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Psalm 87:6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.
See what I am looking at between them? Zion, counting, (John hearing the number of these) 144,000, and the LORD writing up the people (having his Fathers name written in their foreheads). Given Sion is the church of the firstborn, and speaks of "this man" was born there (but perhaps speaking differently) as in being begotten again through Him.
I was just curious if I was on the right track with this thing or not. Because if it starts throwing counting and numbers at me (I already know where I will start heading) and that's south
These were just a few I was looking at though, seems so in some ways.
Just cross checking here, thanks for any help too bro
Anything in
Hey Sis! I'm doing well.
You're on point with this. When it comes to the numbers you have to allow God's use of the numbers to stand out. Perfect thousands from God represent full compliment.
It's easy to see in Revelation 7:9, as John turns to see what the 144,000 of the tribes of Israel represent...after they are given:
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
So when the Psalm says "this was was born there and that one was born there" this is the new birth of that person, as Christ said "You must be born again".
Another Lazarus said:antichrist shall summon fire to fall from the sky in front of people, even though he looked like a christian, he isn't. recently pope said the atheist can go to heaven too. which is a betrayal of Christian Faith. yet all his believers believe in this delusion.
This fixation on the "antichrist" being an individual really has many saints looking at this wrongly.antichrist shall summon fire to fall from the sky in front of people, even though he looked like a christian, he isn't.
recently pope said the atheist can go to heaven too. which is a betrayal of Christian Faith. yet all his believers believe in this delusion.
His False Prophet will do that. And just as the Antichrist could make a worldwide television and internet spectacle out of his fulfilling of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Daniel 11:36, so his False Prophet (who could be an apostate pope) could make a worldwide television and internet spectacle out of his fulfilling of Revelation 13:13, when he will miraculously call fire down from heaven in the sight of everyone.
bibletruth469 said in post 152:
I really think that the strong delusion mentioned in thes. Is the fact that people will believe the antichrist and his lying signs and wonders instead of the truth if the gospel only found in the message of Jesus Christ .
I agree with you in some respects . I really think that the strong delusion mentioned in thes. Is the fact that people will believe the antichrist and his lying signs and wonders instead of the truth if the gospel only found in the message of Jesus Christ .
I personally believe that the antichrist will be a political figure while the false prophet could be a religious figure that points people on earth during the tribulation to worship the antichrist. I really think that during this age of grace that we are living in now, God will not disclose who the antichrist or false prophet will be, however the people living on earth during the tribulation will either realize that he is the antichrist and will probably be martyred for their faith or will be given the strong delusion because of their unbelief.
bibletruth469's view is not narrow, but precise .... there is a difference
And I will suggest this refinement regarding 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
These of the "falling away" who refuse the truth are also noted in Daniel 8:23-25
..... and these are the followers of "Allah" today who say that God has no Son
Apostasy of the professing "church" is another matter and this condition is noted a number of times in the NT and in the book of Revelation [chapters 2 and 3]
Don't convert to Islam Jack .... even if you make it to the coming tribulation
The conditions may cause you to believe the lie
But if you refuse, you may loose your head even though you will gain your salvation
If you die before ..... make certain that you are ready .... this is possible
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