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A. Political Control The Antichrist's attempt to gain political control will be interrupted by his death. But after his resurrection, the second world war of the Tribulation will continue until three of the ten kings are killed. This is found in Daniel 7:23-24: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all the kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And as for the ten horns, out of this kingdom shall ten kings arise: and another shall arise after them; and he shall be diverse from the former, and he shall put down three kings. According to verse 23, the Fourth Gentile Empire will ultimately take over the entire world and will develop into a one world government. Once it has achieved this status, in verse 24a it will then break down into ten kingdoms ruled by ten men. In verse 24b, while the entire world is in this ten kingdom stage, the Antichrist will begin his rise to power and, eventually in the middle of the Tribulation, he will kill three of the ten kings.

At that point, the remaining kings will submit to his authority, according to Revelation 17:12-13 and 17. Verses12-13 state: And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour. These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast. Verses17 state: For God did put in their hearts to do his mind, and to come to one mind, and to give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God should be accomplished. With the other seven kings simply submitting to his authority, the Antichrist will gain full political control and become the one world political ruler, with one exception: Jordan. This is the second political system of the Tribulation.

B. Religious Control To accomplish his goal to become the one world religious ruler, the Antichrist must try to remove all religious opposition. This will be accomplished in three stages.

The first stage is his destruction of the false religious system of his day, recorded in Revelation 17:16: And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her utterly with fire. Throughout the first half of the Tribulation, the religious affairs of the world will be controlled by a one world super religious organization, which the Bible refers to as Ecclesiastical Babylon. Although this religious system will rule with the support of civil government (Rev. 17:1-5), the political rulers of the world will have no real love for it. After the Antichrist gains political leadership, he will then proceed to destroy the one world religious system in order to set

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The reason I don't think that is correct that the fourth kingdom breaks up into ten kingdoms is that in Revelation 17 the ten kings give their kingdom - a single kingdom - to the beast. I don't read of a breakup of the fourth kingdom into ten kingdoms. Especially since, we have a precedence if such a breakup were to occur such as with the breakup of the third empire into 4 kingdoms, there should be some verses if the fourth empire were going to breakup into ten kingdoms.

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17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
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Then at the end of the 7 years, in Daniel 11, the Antichrist beast will be attacked from the North, South, and East. His powerbase will be the Western nations. With Europe as the ten kings. Their kingdom in Revelation 17:17 is the EU final form

If the ten kings are the world divided into ten regions - then who is going to be fighting the Antichrist when the king of the North, king of the South, and news out of the East troubles him in Daniel 11.

What I think is for that last 42 months, there is going to be global rule by the Antichrist-beast with his ten king European group as the dominant group during that time with the rest of the world aligned in the other three points of the compass. The Antichrist-beast will be over everyone, perhaps in a United Nations type setup. But his power base will be the ten European king body.

I don't see that as a reasonable expectation, that before the seven years start that there forms global one world govenment that breakup into ten regions, yet there will also develope a global one world religion which the Antichrist-beast's ten kings destroy. I am getting a fragmented view of Fruchtenbaum's scenario right now. I would have to see a timeline of events.

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When many believe in an earthly manifested Christ who is none other than the mother of all idols, the abomination that maketh desolate, the beast of the bottomless Pitt:
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2 Thessalonians 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
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How can one RECEIVE TRUTH and WHO IS TRUTH?

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
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So TRUTH IS A PERSON THE CHRIST


Matthew 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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The only way to see Christ is by faith and is when you die to CLAIM your eternal inheritance that has already been laid up for you by Christ as the MANIFEST TOKEN.


Lord's coming according to the above verse is when a faithful in Christ dies to receive his BANKED (crown of righteousness) MANIFEST TOKEN to ETERNAL INHERITENCE TO BE WITH CHRIST AS ANGELS IN HEAVEN. Saint Stephen was a testimonial example of when The Lord came for him when he died keeping the true faith.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
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BASICALLY YOU MUST DIE TO SEE THE LORD CHRIST JESUS
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If you are still in your baggy Adam One skin suits then rest assure that any Christ you think you see is the LYING miracles and wonders of the devil pretending to be Christ.
 
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the word remnant can mean any things, depending on the context.
it generally means a segment/section apart from the rest (some of...)

with OT food/offerings and such, it is the left overs

with regards to the NT Saints, it is what came before us Christian Saints (ie. OT Israel Saints)

with regards to the elect, it is that, over time
most of us will have died by this generation....6000+ years since Adam...
but a portion will be born and or live in this generation, (you and I)
and thus be alive to be gathered
and they will not bow a knee to Baal no matter what tricks he throws our way

even if he claims to be Jesus

the way I see it is,
if the mystery change of 1Cor15 has not happened yet,
and the dead are not raised,
then it is not the last day
and the true Jesus has not returned to gather us YET.

ya that's a dangerous one...
its a reason why I left the RCC...I couldn't pray to Mary and the Saints

I have a few other pet peeves within certain Christian doctrines....
like the following...
charismatic tongues
pre (or mid) trib rapture, dispensationalism
any doctrine that denies the Deity of Christ
preterits positions
the dead are literally sleeping/not conscious
3 days and 3 nights Resurrection = Friday to Saturday night /Sunday morn

lots more but those are a few off the top of my head
 
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How bout this.....

Would it be a delusion, even a strong delusion to believe that man can create for himself a utopia.

For even a day, can we create a place, a moment in which all men are given equal and fair quality of life?

For instance.....

Pretend that the world has just gone thru a cataclysm the likes of which the Words spoken to us in Revelation can not adequately describe except in sheer volume of death and destruction.

The world is 2.5 billion less in population and the great trade harbors of the earth have been rolled into the sea. Cast into the abyss sotosay.

In just a few short months, the govts(beasts) of the earth are able to get the grids reestablished and radio and televisions come back on. The messages pouring forth would be ones of unity and togetherness in an effort to rebuild.

In a short while man will essentially begin to reconstruct the earth as we currently know it. Will we start where we left off, or will choose to move in a different direction. Perhaps we create a more balanced a global union.

I think the a/c will play a huge role in this rebuilding. I think this is where he will rise to prominence. his audience will raise him up as a leader with a vision of kingdom in which no man is greater than the next.

Sounds great, except it will be men doing the creating, essentially replacing the Creator.

And satan will again have his day and instead of God casting man from the garden, it will be men casting God from their garden.
 
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my pet peeve doctrine that isn't even a Christian doctrine, but is used by almost every Christian i know is the 'doctrine' of kharma ... on another site i frequent, it's used at least once a day by one Christian or another ... actually had another Christian say to me 'you believe in kharma, don't you' ... to which they were floored when i said no ... my comment to why, 'should we begin with forgiveness, love, mercy, grace, ...' have never seen it used that way ... only 'it will get you' ... no allowance for repentence or accidents or anything else, yet Christians gobble it up like candy ... makes me sad for the state of Christianity ... i believe it's the same mentality reflected in all the 'reality' shows ... everyone is mad at someone and claiming they will get them one way or another ... screaming, yelling, calling names, pushing, threatening, hating ... 'just sic kharma on them' ...

anyway ...

strong delusion ... believing Jesus comes first ... pre, mid, or after the fact ... no ... He comes second ... many carrying the spirit of anti-christ ccome ... and then ... the anti-christ comes first ... the day of the Lord ... 1000 yrs for man ...
 
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my pet peeve doctrine that isn't even a Christian doctrine, but is used by almost every Christian i know is the 'doctrine' of kharma ...
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That's interesting. For karma is a doctrine originally from Hinduism. And the future Antichrist's religion of Gnosticism (see post 19) has some core teachings in common with Hinduism (as well as Buddhism):

1. The material realm is unreal and evil. (Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Maya", from Hinduism.)

2. People must strive to escape the material realm completely and enter a state which is wholly non-physical (Parinirvana in Buddhism, the Pleroma in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Brahman", from Hinduism.

3. The way for people to get free from their imprisonment within the material realm is through their minds attaining a certain level of enlightenment (Nirvana in Buddhism, Gnosis in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Moksha", from Hinduism.

4. The way for their minds to attain this certain level of enlightenment is through following the way of the Serpent (one legend of Buddhism says that the Buddha was given the true Buddhism by the King of the Serpents; and in Gnosticism, Gnosis comes from the Christ/the Serpent). Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea of the enlightening serpent, originally called "Kundalini", from Hinduism. (Regarding the serpent in Genesis 3, Gnostics see him as the good guy, just as they see YHWH as the bad guy.)

The Bible contradicts each of the 4 points above:

1. The material realm is real, and was created very good (Genesis 1:31). God himself is in the flesh (John 1:1,14, Luke 24:39) and remains wholly without sin (Hebrews 4:15). So there's nothing evil about matter in itself.

2. People must strive to attain to a resurrection (Philippians 3:11) in an immortal human body of flesh and bones, like the immortal human body of flesh and bones that Jesus obtained at his resurrection (Luke 24:39, Philippians 3:21; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54, Romans 8:23-25), and in which Jesus will remain forever as our fully-human mediator/high priest (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 2:16-17, Hebrews 7:24-26). His tomb is empty (Matthew 28:6), and when he returns he will show the scars of the Crucifixion on his body (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14).

3. Resurrected people who have been truly enlightened/illuminated (Ephesians 1:18, Hebrews 10:32) by Jesus Christ (John 14:6-7, John 8:32, John 3:36) will remain in the material realm, ultimately living on a new earth with God (Revelation 21:1-4).

4. The Serpent, Satan/Lucifer, is the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9).
 
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Friends Strong Delusion is in context to WORSHIP.

This is not a diversion to a different religious ideology but is a CHANGING of the Christian ecclesiastical doctrine to divert Christians to a false worship tied in with the current world view of society.

Read up on Egalitarianism on

Egalitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cultural theory of risk holds egalitarianism as defined by (1) a negative attitude towards rules and principles, and (2) a positive attitude towards group decision-making, with fatalism termed as its opposite.
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Basically Egalitarianism states the following:

1) It is ok to be homosexual and not be bound by rules and principles
2) It is ok to not have Christ to be regarded as equal in Christian society
3) Its not ok to embrace the commandments of God if they are NOT endorsed by the group decision making.
4) It is not ok to preach Christ's principles to a person without Christ. This is called RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE.
5) It is not ok to prosthelytize people into your system of belief as it is seen in opposition towar the group decision making.

All in all it is a communistic utilitarian approach to system a worldly utopian governance over and above the laws and principles of God.

Basically it is a MAN BEAST WORLDLY SYTEM that persecuted members of society and treats them as criminals, who it regards as none complaint members.

It is a form of a central unification religious system that central decision makers embrace for all of society to comply with or else.

Just like in communism in the Bolshevik run Revolutions that erased Christianity and burnt down churches because the Christian religious are the main opponents to the ideology of EGALITARIANISM and therefore it must go.

I used a word above called UTILITARIANISM. Read up on it below:

Utilitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Utilitarianism is a theory in normative ethics holding that the proper course of action is the one that maximizes utility, usually defined as maximizing happiness and reducing suffering
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Basically this again is tied to communism and expects all members to comply with the world view standard.

Just from the above points you can see all ready leaders political and religious working towards a worldly ecumenical society run by EGALITARIAN AND UTALITARIAN STATE RUNE DOCTRINES.

This event will have none compliers called Christians and since their ecclesiastical leadership have already fallen for this lie or lead in as sheep to the slaughter, the congregation will be excuminacted and left out to dry if it is a threat to the Egalitarian / Utalitarian utopian society of the ANTICHRIST.

The below we are told that the end will come for Christianity on a world wide scale when the power of the Holy People (Apostolic Churches) will be shattered in a world wide Calvary that will dwarf the Bulshavik Revolutions.


Here comes the crunch when the daily sacrifice is taken away and replaced by a false system of worldly worship then here fulfills the word that Christianity in the near future will be an endangered species.

The daily sacrifice is the worship in Christ who is our daily sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. Since the Egalitarian system kicks in all will unwittingly embrace it until it is too late to back away from it.

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
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lawless: not obeying the New Testament command, the Law of the Spirit written in your heart: Love the Lord with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself. He'll say to the ones that fall away, the foolish virgins who don't have His agape love (it will grow cold): I never knew you.

Mathew 24 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.)

Lord Lord didn't we do miracles in Your Name: a fixation on miracles and signs and wonders and not on Him.
The antichrist will perform false signs and wonders.

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
 
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Yes the lawless one will use Christianity to persecute Christianity.

As it happened in the 1st century Apostolic Church.


The ANTICHRIST was busy massacring the true Christianity from the 1 st century church to the Roman persecutions, the Bulshavik Revolution persecutions, Naza Germany persecutions, the Armenian genocide persecutions, Egypt uprising persecutions.

These are just some of a more elaborate scheme by the antichrists to persecute Christians across the globe for the last 2000 years.

So the end will see christians brought against each other brother against brother sister against sister.

 
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Serpentslayer said in post 75:

Yes the lawless one will use Christianity to persecute Christianity.
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That's right, in that the Antichrist's religion will have a false "Christ", just as it will have a false "Jesus".

It's important for Christians to realize that during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this won't require that the Antichrist's one-world religion will say that Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, Jesus himself isn't the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this wouldn't require that the Antichrist deny Jesus' 2nd coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' 2nd coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says that the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim that he is Jesus, returned to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason why it's so important to know when and how the real Jesus' 2nd coming will happen (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

The person whom the Antichrist will revile is YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), whom many people mistakenly think of as being (in their words) "the God of only the Old Testament, that cruel and hateful God who ordered people to commit genocide and kill babies (1 Samuel 15:3), while Jesus came and preached love for everyone (Matthew 5:44)". The truth is that Jesus confirmed that the God of the Old Testament, YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18), is the same as the God of the New Testament (Mark 12:29-31), and that the Old Testament is true (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 24:44-48). Jesus died for our sins in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 2:24). And he rose from the dead in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (e.g. Psalms 16:10, Acts 2:31). Jesus died to establish the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), which YHWH had foretold in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And Jesus died to bring about the defeat of Satan (Hebrews 2:14), which YHWH had foretold from even the first book of the Old Testament (Genesis 3:15).

Nonetheless, building on many people's misconceptions of YHWH as being (in their words) "the cruel God of the Old Testament", no doubt one of the Antichrist's chief blasphemies against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36) will be that YHWH is an evil god. This is one of the ancient blasphemies of Gnosticism, another being the antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The world will be deceived into completely rejecting YHWH and worshipping Satan and the Antichrist instead (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9). Satan may be worshipped not as "Satan", which most everyone sees as a bad name (it means "Adversary"), but as "Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12), which means "the morning star". The Antichrist could lie and say that it's YHWH who is the true "Satan", the true "Adversary" of mankind.

Because the Antichrist and his False Prophet (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and because they will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), they could lie and say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Revelation 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (John 3:14), and Lucifer is the serpent (Revelation 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), and it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

The truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18). Jesus Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself with only the brass serpent on the pole in Numbers 21:8-9 (John 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (John 19:16, Matthew 26:28). And in John 10:34, Jesus Christ (John 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Psalms 82:6-7, which shows that even though humans have knowledge of good and evil as gods do (Genesis 3:22), they will still die like humans (Psalms 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Genesis 3:4). Nonetheless, the Antichrist could falsely say that Lucifer is the Christ and the true and beneficent God of mankind, and that the False Prophet is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (cf. John 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The Antichrist could falsely say that he (the Antichrist) is the human/divine "Son" of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Revelation 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians now rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14) as God (the Son) along with God the Father (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).

Near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before the real Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:20 to 20:3).
 
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The pinnacle of all irony. Most waiting for the Antichrist to come, or be revealed, yet resides in the hearts (IIThess.2:4; Rev.13:14b) of those that met the Truth at one time (IIThess.2:10b) then rejected that Truth for whatever religious reason. At some point God's castes "error's working" down from heaven today for those that did reject that Truth so they believe the lie and perish today (IIThess.2:11-12). These are cognative error's working that inhibit one's critical thinking within one's cerebral cortext.today. Eg, One draws a conclusion based on what one perceives are the facts, one's conclusion is valid; but the Biblical facts themselves are invalid. Just ol' old Jack and hopefully the older Lutheran works are invalid so I don't receive these horrible delusions.
 
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shturt678 said in post 77:

Bible2, long time no see - greetings sir
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Greetings.

shturt678 said in post 77:

Most waiting for the Antichrist to come, or be revealed, yet resides in the hearts (IIThess.2:4; Rev.13:14b) of those that met the Truth at one time (IIThess.2:10b) then rejected that Truth for whatever religious reason.
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Regarding "revealed", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 refers to when an individual man will be revealed (i.e. without any remaining doubt) as being the Antichrist, by his sitting in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaiming himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15). This is one of the things that has to happen before the future day of Jesus' 2nd coming and the gathering together (rapture) of the church (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

shturt678 said in post 77:

Most waiting for the Antichrist to come, or be revealed, yet resides in the hearts (IIThess.2:4; Rev.13:14b) of those that met the Truth at one time (IIThess.2:10b) then rejected that Truth for whatever religious reason.
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Regarding "resides in the hearts (IIThess.2:4...)", the reference in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 to the "temple" doesn't refer to hearts, but to a future, literal, 3rd Jewish temple building (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36) which will exist in the earthly Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being defiled.

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

shturt678 said in post 77:

Most waiting for the Antichrist to come, or be revealed, yet resides in the hearts (IIThess.2:4; Rev.13:14b) of those that met the Truth at one time (IIThess.2:10b) then rejected that Truth for whatever religious reason.
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Regarding "IIThess.2:4", it's right for people to still be waiting for the fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:4, for no man ever sat in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaimed himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, cf. Matthew 24:15), just as no man ever fulfilled other detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 16:2-16, Revelation 19:19-21, and 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9. Any mistaken teaching which claims that the Antichrist has already come (or even come and gone, as is sometimes claimed) could be employed in the future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking that he isn't the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4 after he by force takes control of a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, stops the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of it, and has the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

The Antichrist could then make quite a show of his sitting himself in the temple and declaring himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31). And he could make a television and internet broadcast of it which will be seen live by the world (so that the "ye" in Matthew 24:15 could include people all around the world). He could first be shown entering the temple's most holy place in magnificent golden robes. He could then step up to the Ark of the Covenant (which could have been discovered, and placed in the temple by the Jews), and lift the Mercy Seat off of the Ark, showing the Ark to be empty. He could then look into the camera and say: "Where is YHWH? He is not here! He is a distant fraud! His power on this earth is as hollow as this empty Ark!" (The Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH: Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36.)

Then the Antichrist could raise the Mercy Seat high above his head only to suddenly smash it down violently to the ground, breaking it into pieces. The piped-in sound of crowds roaring with approval could then be heard in the background. Then the Antichrist could place his hands on the Ark and stare into the camera: "WE can do better than this". He could then knock over the Ark and stamp it with his foot, bashing in its side. Two of the Antichrist's followers in robes could then quickly come in and clear away the rubble of the Mercy Seat and the Ark, while 4 more men in robes carry into the temple's most holy place a magnificent golden throne and place it right where the Ark had been before. All the men could then bow down and motion with their arms for the Antichrist to sit on the throne. He could then grandly take his seat upon it.

Glorious symphonic music could then swell as the sound of crowds roaring with approval increases. Then the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be an apostate pope) could enter the temple's most holy place and approach the Antichrist carrying a majestic golden crown encrusted with large diamonds and all kinds of precious stones. The Antichrist could take the crown from the pope's hands, and as the Antichrist is placing the crown on his own head, a camera could zoom in on his face as he says: "I AM THAT I AM. I AM YOUR GOD. Worship me, all ye nations of the earth!"

(cf. Revelation 13:8, Daniel 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
 
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shturt678 said in post 77:

Most waiting for the Antichrist to come, or be revealed, yet resides in the hearts (IIThess.2:4; Rev.13:14b) of those that met the Truth at one time (IIThess.2:10b) then rejected that Truth for whatever religious reason.
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Regarding "Rev.13:14b", the "image of the beast" (Revelation 13:15) could be an android image of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) which the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20) could cause to be made after the Antichrist receives a terrible head wound (Revelation 13:3,14b). For this injury could leave the Antichrist's facial and bodily appearance permanently marred, and could render him unable to speak clearly, like someone after a bad stroke, so that the Antichrist won't want to appear or speak in public again.

Did you ever see that movie "Dave"? It had a President who was in a coma, so his handlers found a regular guy who looked exactly like the President, and had him be a public stand-in for the President. He was able to speak just like the President did. It could be like that with the Antichrist's image. It could be the Antichrist's "Dave", his double, that appears and speaks (Revelation 13:15) before the world instead of his wounded self. But instead of letting people think that the Antichrist's android image is the Antichrist himself, the False Prophet could tell people from the beginning that the image isn't the Antichrist himself, but still fully represents him.

In Revelation 13:15, the original Greek word translated as "life" or "breath" (pneuma, G4151) can mean "spirit" in the sense of consciousness (1 Corinthians 2:11a, Luke 1:47), so that the android could appear to have a spirit, to have consciousness. The way this could be achieved would be through the android having wireless connections to huge banks of supercomputers running advanced artificial intelligence software. The False Prophet could claim that the Antichrist's consciousness dwells within the android by means of neural networks imprinted with the Antichrist's brain patterns. But this could be a lie, in that the android won't actually have the Antichrist's consciousness, or any true consciousness, but will only appear to have consciousness, by its being able to pass even the most stringent Turing Test. This is a test whereby one speaks with a computer and can't tell whether it has consciousness or not, because all of its answers are the same as if it had consciousness.

But the android's "consciousness" could appear far more advanced than any human's, for it could have access to huge databases containing every fact known to man, so that the android will appear to be omniscient. In this way, it could convince the world that it's not just a machine, but a material incarnation, a machine avatar, of the true God, a literal "deus ex machina", a literal "God from a machine". And this machine "God" could boast not only of his mental powers, but also of his physical powers: he could be extremely strong. And he could boast of the "immortality" of his machine body, which could be made of titanium, covered with some practically-everlasting flesh-like silicone. People could just be completely awestruck by his (what they could call) "omniscient wisdom, his strength, his indestructibility". They could consider him more than worthy of worship by (in their words) "mere humanity, which is so mentally and physically limited, made out of mere flesh and blood, which is so weak and so mortal". The world will actually worship the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), just as it will actually worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

The Antichrist's image could be placed standing in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, so that the image will become the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31). And in order to make it easy for everyone in the world to be able to see the image and worship it (Revelation 13:15), it could appear on every cell phone, television, computer, GPS navigation system, and electronic billboard at set times each day. And to make it possible for everyone to interact with it personally, it could appear as a computer generated image on each individual's cell phone, speaking in and understanding each individual's language, conversing with each individual with personalized messages and responses devised by supercomputers running artificial intelligence and language software.

And it could discuss with them even the most intimate details of their lives, for it could have access to huge databases compiled by the Antichrist's worldwide intelligence, law enforcement, economic, and health agencies, databases containing all the facts about everyone: who their family and friends are, where they live and work, who their neighbors and coworkers are, how much they make, what cars and properties they own and use, where they go, where they shop, what they buy, where they eat out, what shows and videos they watch, what they read, what they say, what they write on the internet, what their health problems are, etc., so that the Antichrist's image could seem to know everything about everyone.

And the worship of the image could be connected with a daily surveillance and subjugation of everyone. For the image's supercomputers could make his image automatically appear on everyone's cell phone at set times every day to be worshipped. And cell phones contain GPS chips which can be secretly pinged in order to determine the exact location of the cell phones. So when the image appears on everyone's cell phone, the image's supercomputers could ping the GPS chip of everyone's cell phone and know exactly where everyone is.

Also, cell phones contain cameras and microphones, which can be remotely opened secretly in order to see and hear what's going on around the cell phones. So when the image appears on everyone's cell phone, the image's supercomputers could open the cameras and microphones of everyone's cell phone to determine what everyone is doing and saying, and the image could then demand that the individuals worship him as God, saying some set prayer of praise and adoration. And if any individual refuses, the image's supercomputers could detect that individual's noncompliance, and notify the nearest police officers of that individual's exact location, and order the officers to arrest that individual for blasphemy and treason. The offending individual could then be given a chance to be "reformed" (i.e. in a brainwashing camp, or through physical torture, if necessary), but if he proves recalcitrant, he will be executed (Revelation 13:15) by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4).

The beheading process itself could be made into a televised and webcasted spectacle, to serve not only as a dire warning to anyone thinking of refusing to worship the image, but also to serve as an amazingly-horrific entertainment for the masses, like how the ancient Romans made it an entertainment for the masses to gather them into the Colosseum in Rome and let them watch Christians being thrown to lions and devoured alive.

Colossal beheading structures could be built, by which twenty "traitors" could be beheaded at one time by one fall of one blade. The "traitors" could be bound in a row along an upright "U"-shaped device with a track for a huge guillotine blade, which could start out in a resting position at the top of one side. The blade could be so massive and so sharp, that when it's released, it will easily slice down through 10 necks on one side of the "U" and continue on by its own momentum up the other side of the "U", shearing off another 10 heads. This all could happen so quickly that it will appear as if all 20 heads are struck off almost in unison, followed immediately by 20 geysers of blood rushing out in unison for all the Antichrist's "faithful" to gawk at and cheer over in the comfort of their own homes before their televisions, computers, and web-enabled devices.

Also, immediately after the show is over, at the site where it took place, teams of surgeons could rush in to "harvest" all the fresh organs and other body parts from the beheaded bodies to be used for transplants (beheading being the best way for a body to die if you want to harvest its parts). What's left of the bodies could then be stuffed into shipping containers, which, once full, could be stacked like stones into a gigantic Pyramid of Death, which could eventually reach some 30 stories high and contain millions of bodies. A huge plaque could be erected in front of the pyramid that will read: "This is a monument to the shame of YHWH, who created everything to die". (Of course, the truth is that he didn't, for Adam and Eve were created immortal; it wasn't until they sinned that they became mortal: Genesis 2:17. And YHWH will restore immortality to saved humans through Jesus Christ: Romans 6:23.) Also, any such plaque would be hypocritical, for it will be the Antichrist who will have murdered the people entombed in the Pyramid, not YHWH. And so it will actually be a monument to how those who hate YHWH and his wisdom, love death (Proverbs 8:36b).

Regarding the worship of the Antichrist's image, to help foster a group dynamic, every neighborhood and village in the world could be helped to create a group worship center in which everyone in that neighborhood or village will have to gather together at a set time each evening to bow down and prostrate himself or herself before a life-size, lifelike image of the Antichrist, which could be a computer-generated, animated, holographic or widescreen 3D HDTV image of him clothed in beautiful golden robes and standing majestically before them (or sitting on a magnificent golden throne), and speaking computer-generated customized messages to them as a group.

This worship could be accompanied by the most beautiful symphonic music (cf. Daniel 3:5), or whatever is the most beautiful music to the local people, to help them (in the words of the Antichrist's propaganda machine) "be uplifted into the true spirit of praise and worship of our gracious Lord and Master. Praised be His Majestic Name forever and ever!", etc. And what with the wonderful music, and all their fellow worshippers around them, and customized messages of encouragement spoken in a deep, soothing voice by a life-size, holographic or 3D HDTV image of the Antichrist, to certain members of each "worship group", it could be that some people in each group will start to really get into the evening worship sessions, and even begin to (in their words) "truly feel the Living Presence of our loving God among us, loving us so tenderly, so personally! Oh, how I love Him! He is So Great!"

But the world's worship of the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), no matter how blissful it may become for some people, and the world's worship of the Antichrist and Lucifer (Satan) the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), will last for less than 4 years (Revelation 13:5, Daniel 12:11-12) before Jesus Christ returns from heaven and completely defeats the Antichrist and Lucifer (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3), and Jesus then sets up his own, 1,000-year physical kingdom on the earth with the bodily resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).
 
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Again, I find it appalling where important threads such as this one doesn't draw the attention the entertaining threads receive. These "error's working" ("delusions") are operative today just as they have been in the past where 99.99% of Christianity is oblivious to, ie., they directly affect one's decisions and reasoning drawing 'right' or 'wrong' conclusions, eg, one bumps into Biblical Truths drawing conclusions based upon perceived facts - one's conclusion is 'right,' but the facts themselves are 'wrong' - God in heaven determines how much Truth one did have before them (IIThess.2:10b) then that Truth is rejected and immediately one receives delusions. Ie would expound with 'objectivity' vs. 'subjectivity,' but experience has showed me that all the former must be rejected due super effective cognative error's working that I cannot override. Just ol' old Jack.
 
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