Stop the Madness!

[honorthesabbath]

Below is an article written by Carl Worden, a leader in the Oregon Militia. I asked permission to repost his article here and it was granted. I did however take the liberty to edit a few choice words he had to say--lol. But all in all, he is absolutely correct when it comes to arming the public. By what stretch of imagination do our 'leaders' think that an unarmed citizenry is safe? Cops are only called AFTER the fact when many are already dead.

It's time to expose this insanity for what it is. Enjoy the read and take what he has to say seriously. We need to get our guns back WITHOUT registration.

NIU: ONCE AGAIN, NOBODY HAD A GUN​

CarlF.Worden​

Once again, a “Gun Free Zone” has proven to be a place where everybody there is gun free except the psychopath with the gun. As the bodies were being scraped up and the wounded hauled away screaming, the college staff and campus police of Northern Illinois University declared the incident to be one tremendous success. They had planned and trained for this event after the massacre at VirginiaTech, and by golly, all the systems worked and police responded within 2 minutes!

Wow!

So if everything worked as planned, how come five people are dead and around 15 more are screaming in local hospitals?
What exactly is this elusive form of “success” these bright souls want everyone to appreciate? Two minutes is an astonishingly fast police response time, but in a close-quarters mortal combat environment like what happened at VirginiaTech and now NIU, two minutes just doesn’t cut it, especially when the victims are completely defenseless and their only hope is that the psycho shoots their friends instead of them.

Now hear this, all you self-righteous and deluded University denizens of higher learning: The only effective defense against a gun in the wrong hands is a gun in the right hands, and only if the good guy has immediate access to a gun. The only way to accomplish that goal is to allow eligible students and faculty to carry guns concealed on campus.

Utah allows its school teachers to carry guns concealed on campus and in the classroom if they qualify for a concealed gun permit, and with all the guns in Utah (I know because I was born there) you’d think at least one school shooting would have taken place, but that is not the case. If you listen to the Brady Bunch, guns cause people to shoot other people, therefore more guns creates more gun crimes, ergo, less guns or no guns means less or no gun crimes committed. Such solid logic leads to the creation of “Gun Free Zones” so popular on most American college campuses, because if nobody on campus has a gun, nobody will get shot on campus, right? Oh yeah, that worked for VirginiaTech!

And we let these idiots teach our young? If they are this pathetically stupid about basic survival issues, why do we employ them and allow them to teach anything at all? Surely their other areas of study and theory ought to be examined if they are that darn stupid.

Within two hours of the VirginiaTech massacre, I obtained the e-mail address for the school’s top dog and sent him this message:

Congratulations, Jack***!

I sent that because it was none other than that man who lobbied the VirginiaLegislature to bar guns on the VT campus after another gun incident at VT created a call for eligible students and faculty to carry concealed guns on campus. Alas, the legislature bowed to the man’s wishes and 32 more people died in yet another “Gun Free Zone”.

So the capable folks at NorthernIllinoisUniversity got their police and emergency response times down to two minutes, and only 22 kids were shot instead of the 32 killed at VirginiaTech -- and we’re all supposed to congratulate them? Try placing yourself in the position of huddling under a desk for a full two minutes while a madman casually picks and chooses who gets the next fatal bullet, and tell me how long 120 seconds is. An eligible student or faculty member with a concealed gun can return fire in less than two seconds, and in every school shooting case where a shooter finds himself facing another person with a gun to stop him, he surrendered immediately. A good guy with a concealed gun can cause the shooter to take cover or run away, at least saving the lives of those students in his immediate area and dramatically slowing the onslaught down.

But when nobody but the shooter has even 30 seconds to kill unarmed and defenseless students, the only equation is how many fatal bullets he can pump into people in the least amount of time.

Congratulations, Northern IllinoisUniversity! Now which college campus is next?

CarlF.Worden

 

[Rosie55]

Below is an article written by Carl Worden, a leader in the Oregon Militia. I asked permission to repost his article here and it was granted. I did however take the liberty to edit a few choice words he had to say--lol. But all in all, he is absolutely correct when it comes to arming the public. By what stretch of imagination do our 'leaders' think that an unarmed citizenry is safe? Cops are only called AFTER the fact when many are already dead.

It's time to expose this insanity for what it is. Enjoy the read and take what he has to say seriously. We need to get our guns back WITHOUT registration.

NIU: ONCE AGAIN, NOBODY HAD A GUN​

CarlF.Worden​

Once again, a “Gun Free Zone” has proven to be a place where everybody there is gun free except the psychopath with the gun. As the bodies were being scraped up and the wounded hauled away screaming, the college staff and campus police of Northern Illinois University declared the incident to be one tremendous success. They had planned and trained for this event after the massacre at VirginiaTech, and by golly, all the systems worked and police responded within 2 minutes!

Wow!

So if everything worked as planned, how come five people are dead and around 15 more are screaming in local hospitals?
What exactly is this elusive form of “success” these bright souls want everyone to appreciate? Two minutes is an astonishingly fast police response time, but in a close-quarters mortal combat environment like what happened at VirginiaTech and now NIU, two minutes just doesn’t cut it, especially when the victims are completely defenseless and their only hope is that the psycho shoots their friends instead of them.

Now hear this, all you self-righteous and deluded University denizens of higher learning: The only effective defense against a gun in the wrong hands is a gun in the right hands, and only if the good guy has immediate access to a gun. The only way to accomplish that goal is to allow eligible students and faculty to carry guns concealed on campus.

Utah allows its school teachers to carry guns concealed on campus and in the classroom if they qualify for a concealed gun permit, and with all the guns in Utah (I know because I was born there) you’d think at least one school shooting would have taken place, but that is not the case. If you listen to the Brady Bunch, guns cause people to shoot other people, therefore more guns creates more gun crimes, ergo, less guns or no guns means less or no gun crimes committed. Such solid logic leads to the creation of “Gun Free Zones” so popular on most American college campuses, because if nobody on campus has a gun, nobody will get shot on campus, right? Oh yeah, that worked for VirginiaTech!

And we let these idiots teach our young? If they are this pathetically stupid about basic survival issues, why do we employ them and allow them to teach anything at all? Surely their other areas of study and theory ought to be examined if they are that darn stupid.

Within two hours of the VirginiaTech massacre, I obtained the e-mail address for the school’s top dog and sent him this message:

Congratulations, Jack***!

I sent that because it was none other than that man who lobbied the VirginiaLegislature to bar guns on the VT campus after another gun incident at VT created a call for eligible students and faculty to carry concealed guns on campus. Alas, the legislature bowed to the man’s wishes and 32 more people died in yet another “Gun Free Zone”.

So the capable folks at NorthernIllinoisUniversity got their police and emergency response times down to two minutes, and only 22 kids were shot instead of the 32 killed at VirginiaTech -- and we’re all supposed to congratulate them? Try placing yourself in the position of huddling under a desk for a full two minutes while a madman casually picks and chooses who gets the next fatal bullet, and tell me how long 120 seconds is. An eligible student or faculty member with a concealed gun can return fire in less than two seconds, and in every school shooting case where a shooter finds himself facing another person with a gun to stop him, he surrendered immediately. A good guy with a concealed gun can cause the shooter to take cover or run away, at least saving the lives of those students in his immediate area and dramatically slowing the onslaught down.

But when nobody but the shooter has even 30 seconds to kill unarmed and defenseless students, the only equation is how many fatal bullets he can pump into people in the least amount of time.

Congratulations, Northern IllinoisUniversity! Now which college campus is next?

CarlF.Worden

I agree with this man. It wouldn't take long for those who seem to think it is fun to kill innocent people at college campuses to realize IT WON'T WORK!!! The one killed will just be themselves.

 

[JonMiller]

I think the solution is always more guns. I mean, you hear a gun shot... then you hear another one.. and you see a guy with his gun out... so you pull out yours.

Pretty soon everyone is having a grand ol time.

JM

 

[honorthesabbath]

I think the solution is always more guns. I mean, you hear a gun shot... then you hear another one.. and you see a guy with his gun out... so you pull out yours.

Pretty soon everyone is having a grand ol time.

JM

JM--I am willing to listen to your solution.

 

[JonMiller]

computer monitors of every person everywhere, including medicinal capsules inplanted into peoples chests

if anyone starts to act a bit crazy, a monitor (government position) presses a button and that person receives sedative or something to end their crazy behavior

JM

 

[sentipente]

How does arming everyone with a gun prevent someone from throwing a poison gas capsule into the classroom?

 

[DrStupid_Ben]

From the amount of tragic shootings that have happened in the US over the last few weeks, I remain astonished and speechless when people call for MORE guns, and unrestricted as well. Surely at least a good registration system would keep them out of the hands of the mentally ill, but again this part of the whole American Gun system has failed miserably. I don't know what it is in the water that convinces these people that it is one of their rights to posess the ability to murder their fellow human, no matter what pretext of self defence anyone can dream up.

 

[honorthesabbath]

From the amount of tragic shootings that have happened in the US over the last few weeks, I remain astonished and speechless when people call for MORE guns, and unrestricted as well. Surely at least a good registration system would keep them out of the hands of the mentally ill, but again this part of the whole American Gun system has failed miserably. I don't know what it is in the water that convinces these people that it is one of their rights to posess the ability to murder their fellow human, no matter what pretext of self defence anyone can dream up.

Well--first of all our Constitution guarantee's our RIGHT to arm ourselves for self-protection. And right next to it is common sense.

BTW--who said anything about 'unrestricted"? I agree if you have a history, then you forfeit your RIGHT to carry a weapon. There IS a registration system in place (part of which I totally disagree with), and it is NOT working because the government NEVER does anything right!

Did you read Carl's article at all? He said 'guns in the RIGHT hands". Oh yes--it IS a great deterrent to the MAD MAN with a gun and it can stop him dead in his tracks!

Remember Ben, gun control has NEVER been about guns--it's ALL about CONTROL!

 

[honorthesabbath]

How does arming everyone with a gun prevent someone from throwing a poison gas capsule into the classroom?

 

[sentipente]

Well--first of all our Constitution guarantee's our RIGHT to arm ourselves for self-protection. And right next to it is common sense.
EVER been about guns--it's ALL about CONTROL!

That is the current interpretation of the Constitution. Are you a member of a militia. Are our modern militias the same as the militias that existed in the 18th century?

 

[Shadowfax503]

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Jesus did not tell Peter to get rid of his sword but to put it away. Remember a hand gun and a sword have something in common, They are both tools made to kill people they are not hunting weapons.
So does this passage mean Jesus advocated carrying weapons for self defence? I believe it does.

 

[Jimlarmore]

From the amount of tragic shootings that have happened in the US over the last few weeks, I remain astonished and speechless when people call for MORE guns, and unrestricted as well. Surely at least a good registration system would keep them out of the hands of the mentally ill, but again this part of the whole American Gun system has failed miserably. I don't know what it is in the water that convinces these people that it is one of their rights to posess the ability to murder their fellow human, no matter what pretext of self defence anyone can dream up.

One of the first things the Nazi party did after taking control of Germany was to disarm the citizenry. Gun control is very much about controling the masses. What we need to remember is that it isn't the gun that kills but the nut job holding the gun and pulling the trigger. Another thing to remember has already been alluded to and that is guns are only one way to hurt people. Those set on murdering can use anything to do it with. Taking our guns away will not stop the violence or the murder.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[RND]

So does this passage mean Jesus advocated carrying weapons for self defence? I believe it does.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I think the implication here is that 1) Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world and 2) Those in Jesus' Kingdom have no need to fight back.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[honorthesabbath]

One of the first things the Nazi party did after taking control of Germany was to disarm the citizenry. Gun control is very much about controling the masses. What we need to remember is that it isn't the gun that kills but the nut job holding the gun and pulling the trigger. Another thing to remember has already been alluded to and that is guns are only one way to hurt people. Those set on murdering can use anything to do it with. Taking our guns away will not stop the violence or the murder.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Well stated Jim. Every evil governments first order of business is to disarm the public, so that when they public gets a belly full of their (government) oppression, they are helpless to fight back.

In addressing the evil of the US taxation system, President Ronald Reagen said when the citizens fully understand how it works--the rebellion will come. Our government knows this very well and has made a preemptive strike to avert it. It's called the Brady Bill.

 

[RND]

Well stated Jim. Every evil governments first order of business is to disarm the public, so that when they public gets a belly full of their (government) oppression, they are helpless to fight back.

In addressing the evil of the US taxation system, President Ronald Reagen said when the citizens fully understand how it works--the rebellion will come. Our government knows this very well and has made a preemptive strike to avert it. It's called the Brady Bill.

Reaganite HTS?

He was a Freemason andof the Knights of Malta and intiated diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

Enjoy this piece from

Ronald Reagan, Son of Perdition
"The Great Falling Away Is Complete" - Series

 

[Jimlarmore]

A long time ago I used to be part of a group called Texas Patriots. Primarily, what they were trying to accomplish was for a full disclosure of what the income tax laws in our nation were all about. During my tenure with this organization I learned that Chapter 24 of the U.S. code of federal regulations is very much constitutional. This is the chapter that contains the income tax laws. The problem is the way the tax is collected is not according to what chapter 24 says so the way they collect it is indeed unconstitutional.

I saw many in this group go tax exempt and get into a lot of trouble. The problem there is the government has nearly unlimited resources to come at you with so they can make life miserable until you comply with what they want you to do. I studied a case in Washington of a man who fought them for over 20 years using the legal system to fight this thing. In the end he got his case before the circuit court of appeals and they refused to hear it because if they did it would set paradigm changing precidents that would effect the way they collect the tax.

In the end the IRS dropped all charges against the man but he was broke financially and spiritually as well. During this time as a result of all of the stress he watched his beloved wife die as they lost the last of their assets in the fight.

Speaking of the IRS, in times past they have used gastapo tactics to intimidate the masses. I read a case study where they came to home in New York where a family was in big tax trouble. They seized the house and sold it and all of the belongings for taxes. The family that owned the house was gone at the time on a long vacation. When they came back they found another family moving into their empty home. They called the police and soon found out what had happend. The IRS had actually made a mistake and siezed the wrong house. The house they were suppose to sieze was one block away. Anyway, instead of just admitting their mistake and re-imbursing the wronged family they fought them and the family spent their entire savings taking the IRS to court to get what they rightfully deserved back. We can find all sorts of stories like this all over our country. I'm not sure it's as bad as it was 20 or so years ago but that same spirit still exists in the IRS.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[DrStupid_Ben]

Remember Ben, gun control has NEVER been about guns--it's ALL about CONTROL!

It seems to me that the bid for no gun control is likewise not about guns, but about control.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Reaganite HTS?

He was a Freemason andof the Knights of Malta and intiated diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

Enjoy this piece from

Ronald Reagan, Son of Perdition
"The Great Falling Away Is Complete" - Series

NO RND--I am not a Reaganite. I don't like politicians. But he did get it right when he said the US tax system is evil.

Besides--didn't Nancy have séances in the White House? lol

 

[honorthesabbath]

It seems to me that the bid for no gun control is likewise not about guns, but about control.

I see it as self-defense against enemies both foreign and domestic.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Jesus did not tell Peter to get rid of his sword but to put it away. Remember a hand gun and a sword have something in common, They are both tools made to kill people they are not hunting weapons.
So does this passage mean Jesus advocated carrying weapons for self defence? I believe it does.

And yet we see the God of the OT (Jesus) commanding Israel to go to war with many nations. There IS a time and a place for self-defense.