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STOP EXTREME GUN CONTROL BILL H.R. 127
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<blockquote data-quote="tall73" data-source="post: 75735579" data-attributes="member: 125574"><p>I am afraid it is a bit more complicated than that.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls" target="_blank">Expanded Homicide Data Table 8</a></p><p></p><p>2019</p><p>Homicides 13,927</p><p>Firearm homicides 10,258</p><p>Non-firearm homicides 3,669</p><p> </p><p>Homicide rate per 100k--4.2</p><p>Firearm homicide rate per 100k--3.12</p><p>Non-firearm homicide rate per 100k--1.11</p><p></p><p>The rates are my calculation based on an approximate 2019 US population of 328,200,000 from Google. I think the final numbers were a bit higher as I don't think they have weapons data on every homicide.</p><p></p><p>We have more murders by means other than firearms than Australia does as a whole. We have a violence problem. And I don't think that even if we were able to eliminate all firearms over night that we would eliminate all of the homicides previously associated with firearms. Drug violence would still occur. Domestic violence would still occur. Guns are our preferred means, but not the driver of the violence. </p><p></p><p>In contrast, in Scottland for instance most violence was driven by sharp items rather than guns, even before gun control. </p><p></p><p>As bad as that is, amazingly, our murder rate went down considerably from the 90's while numbers of guns went up. So it is not just a matter of the number of guns. We historically have a very violent culture. It was high to start with, then went higher towards the 90s, and even after declining considerably is still way too high.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ucr-national-2017-1280x0-c-default.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Part of the problem now, as I detailed in an earlier post, is that we have more guns than we do people in the United States, and it would be nearly impossible to remove them all from criminals.</p><p></p><p>What might be helpful is to look at what impact gun reform had on overall homicide numbers in nations such as the UK, Australia, etc. Last I looked at the numbers for Australia they were trending downward, which is great. And I was impressed by their data system as well. It is easy to find detailed information. I was also impressed with how they are working to reduce domestic homicides, which drive a lot of their deaths.</p><p></p><p>However, the question is how much the overall homicide rate was impacted by gun control. It probably helped, but not by a ton.</p><p></p><p>In the UK homicides went up for a time after gun control, went down a bit, and now is going back up again.</p><p></p><p>We have a much higher baseline historically. We need to find out what factors are driving that, and little progress is being made.</p><p></p><p>Part of why little progress is being made is that many of those who are making the decisions live in areas with very good crime rates. They are not personally impacted by the poverty and crime driving much of the violence and even the deaths of despair from alcohol, drug use, suicide, etc.</p><p></p><p>Much of the violence is confined to known areas that people avoid when they can.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tall73, post: 75735579, member: 125574"] I am afraid it is a bit more complicated than that. [URL='https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls']Expanded Homicide Data Table 8[/URL] 2019 Homicides 13,927 Firearm homicides 10,258 Non-firearm homicides 3,669 Homicide rate per 100k--4.2 Firearm homicide rate per 100k--3.12 Non-firearm homicide rate per 100k--1.11 The rates are my calculation based on an approximate 2019 US population of 328,200,000 from Google. I think the final numbers were a bit higher as I don't think they have weapons data on every homicide. We have more murders by means other than firearms than Australia does as a whole. We have a violence problem. And I don't think that even if we were able to eliminate all firearms over night that we would eliminate all of the homicides previously associated with firearms. Drug violence would still occur. Domestic violence would still occur. Guns are our preferred means, but not the driver of the violence. In contrast, in Scottland for instance most violence was driven by sharp items rather than guns, even before gun control. As bad as that is, amazingly, our murder rate went down considerably from the 90's while numbers of guns went up. So it is not just a matter of the number of guns. We historically have a very violent culture. It was high to start with, then went higher towards the 90s, and even after declining considerably is still way too high. [IMG]https://www.christianforums.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetrace.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F04%2Fucr-national-2017-1280x0-c-default.png&hash=3c146538152d5ccbfbfdca40363d77ba[/IMG] Part of the problem now, as I detailed in an earlier post, is that we have more guns than we do people in the United States, and it would be nearly impossible to remove them all from criminals. What might be helpful is to look at what impact gun reform had on overall homicide numbers in nations such as the UK, Australia, etc. Last I looked at the numbers for Australia they were trending downward, which is great. And I was impressed by their data system as well. It is easy to find detailed information. I was also impressed with how they are working to reduce domestic homicides, which drive a lot of their deaths. However, the question is how much the overall homicide rate was impacted by gun control. It probably helped, but not by a ton. In the UK homicides went up for a time after gun control, went down a bit, and now is going back up again. We have a much higher baseline historically. We need to find out what factors are driving that, and little progress is being made. Part of why little progress is being made is that many of those who are making the decisions live in areas with very good crime rates. They are not personally impacted by the poverty and crime driving much of the violence and even the deaths of despair from alcohol, drug use, suicide, etc. Much of the violence is confined to known areas that people avoid when they can. [/QUOTE]
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