Stop Abortion!!

[Atha]

you dont understand, what a little kid is like, so fine and wonderful and wondering if you, you would be there the best for the little they.... and each kid is more mircale than all the rest of the old, as is gratitude and honor of thy fatherhood or motherhood, for the children....

you havent thought, what if you were just not born?

you wouldnt think then, but look you wouldnt do as much wrong as you wrong upon the least of the little kids, who in truth will be the most. forever is that way...


and why? why would you ever do anything so wrong as to take the gift from a little kid and count it as not, for you those who have been the so called well practiced or evil of the wicked, the ones that actually do the operations, go to hell... you dont know what life is...


and the little babys, go to Heaven, and if there is the kindness and care in life for you, come up and live with us, live for life is to live a good life, and may all that is for you be good. amen. Heaven is beyond this, always will be, but someday Heaven is coming, to make the best that truly is always and forever good, even better than is in anyway possible or ever could be thought of, by all.. other than the King, The Lord God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth, The Kingdom of God, Let us Rise our love, and live a good life, for someday we will be there, together even, neighbors of every way we truly have been, standing not to move nor change, but be looked at, in full, by The Creator, to find His Joy the good ones, and Let Them, be given the Blessings far more than we all together could bless, the Joy of GOD, amen.

(and look, say the good like Heaven, lest there is not a way of words, that could be held quiet anymore, for the good salvation and the good deservent of any or all others... say good, and thus you do good even In The Eyes of The Creator of Truth, The Realest and Most Caring... Lord God Almighty, The Beginner and Eternal Forever Already and FOREVER!!!!! amen)

 

[texastig]

 

[Trashionista]

I've never thought "What if I had never been born?" I was wanted. My parents were ready to be parents, which is why I don't ask inane questions of myself. Because there is no need.

Just as there would be no need of a aborted fetus to ask that question. The mother in question was not ready to be a mother, and she chose to terminate her pregnancy. Its routine and simple. Why the heartstrings have to tugged at, instead of people actually using logic to debate something, I will never understand. But it sure doesn't make for a compelling argument.

 

[April Angel]

I've never thought "What if I had never been born?" I was wanted. My parents were ready to be parents, which is why I don't ask inane questions of myself. Because there is no need.

Just as there would be no need of a aborted fetus to ask that question. The mother in question was not ready to be a mother, and she chose to terminate her pregnancy. Its routine and simple. Why the heartstrings have to tugged at, instead of people actually using logic to debate something, I will never understand. But it sure doesn't make for a compelling argument.

Perhaps not, but, in the case of murder, a "compelling argument" is not what it is all about. It's about conscience, empathy, compassion and doing what is right. It is not about "compelling arguments" or even "logical arguments". If it was your life on the line, which would you choose? Life and heartstrings or death and logic? (Or death by logic.) We need the heartstrings to stop us from behaving like sociopaths.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

But it sure doesn't make for a compelling argument.

I agree.

. It is not about "compelling arguments" or even "logical arguments"

Abortion is as much an ethical and scientific subject as it is an emotional one. If you hope to win a debate about a subject like this, you have to be able to produce facts and a logical argument about why your side is right. Otherwise, you'll loose more than you gain.

 

[texastig]

I've never thought "What if I had never been born?" I was wanted. My parents were ready to be parents, which is why I don't ask inane questions of myself. Because there is no need.

Just as there would be no need of a aborted fetus to ask that question. The mother in question was not ready to be a mother, and she chose to terminate her pregnancy. Its routine and simple. Why the heartstrings have to tugged at, instead of people actually using logic to debate something, I will never understand. But it sure doesn't make for a compelling argument.

Is it natural to have an abortion?
Thanks,
TT

 

[Trashionista]

Perhaps not, but, in the case of murder, a "compelling argument" is not what it is all about. It's about conscience, empathy, compassion and doing what is right. It is not about "compelling arguments" or even "logical arguments". If it was your life on the line, which would you choose? Life and heartstrings or death and logic? (Or death by logic.) We need the heartstrings to stop us from behaving like sociopaths.

Gee whiz.

Evidently, law professors have been lying all this time. Don't we need evidence to win a murder case? In a court of law, is there also room for reasonable doubt? Please note: REASON. Something that depends on logic.

 

[Trashionista]

Is it natural to have an abortion?
Thanks,
TT

If the mother wants it, I don't see how its any more unnatural than taking hormones. And geeze, I said it was simple and routine. If you're going to make a snide comment or mount a [weak] argument, at least be sure you're quoting correctly.

There's always risks, but everything comes with risks. Is riding a car natural then? Becuase you know, I could get into a car accident. And I'm sure if I were Amish, I wouldn't see the laptop I'm typing on or the automobile as natural. Just as if I were a nudist, I wouldn't see clothing as natural.

Calling something natural or normal is completely up to personal ethics and opinions. So, you can't really say abortion is unnatural - its only unnatural in your realm and similar realms of thinking.

 

[texastig]

If the mother wants it, I don't see how its any more unnatural than taking hormones. And geeze, I said it was simple and routine. If you're going to make a snide comment or mount a [weak] argument, at least be sure you're quoting correctly.

There's always risks, but everything comes with risks. Is riding a car natural then? Becuase you know, I could get into a car accident. And I'm sure if I were Amish, I wouldn't see the laptop I'm typing on or the automobile as natural. Just as if I were a nudist, I wouldn't see clothing as natural.

Calling something natural or normal is completely up to personal ethics and opinions. So, you can't really say abortion is unnatural - its only unnatural in your realm and similar realms of thinking.

Ripping out a baby piece by piece isn't natural.
Thanks,
TT

 

[Trashionista]

Ripping out a baby piece by piece isn't natural.
Thanks,
TT

In your opinion.

Neither is a car blowing CO2 into the atmosphere. Or a smokestack doing the same thing.

You don't think people die from pollution?

Then again, I forgot. Unwanted fetus' are worth so much more.

 

[April Angel]

Gee whiz.
Evidently, law professors have been lying all this time. Don't we need evidence to win a murder case? In a court of law, is there also room for reasonable doubt? Please note: REASON. Something that depends on logic.

I was not talking about some hidden event where there was doubt over who did what. I was talking about the deliberate abortion of a fetus (aka baby).

When I said that we need heartstrings to stop us from being sociopaths, I was not talking about a court of law. I was talking about what stops us from behaving like sociopaths in the first place.

If the mother wants it, I don't see how its any more unnatural than taking hormones. And geeze, I said it was simple and routine. If you're going to make a snide comment or mount a [weak] argument, at least be sure you're quoting correctly.

There's always risks, but everything comes with risks. Is riding a car natural then? Becuase you know, I could get into a car accident. And I'm sure if I were Amish, I wouldn't see the laptop I'm typing on or the automobile as natural. Just as if I were a nudist, I wouldn't see clothing as natural.

Calling something natural or normal is completely up to personal ethics and opinions. So, you can't really say abortion is unnatural - its only unnatural in your realm and similar realms of thinking.

Getting into a car accident would be just that, an accident. Abortion is no accident. It is the deliberate removal of another person's life.

In your opinion.

Neither is a car blowing CO2 into the atmosphere. Or a smokestack doing the same thing.

You don't think people die from pollution?

Then again, I forgot. Unwanted fetus' are worth so much more.

People dying from pollution can be prevented.

The deliberate removal of an "unwanted" fetus deprives that baby of his/her life. They do not even get one day of life outside the uterus. Whereas anyone else in your arguments, have had many days of life and no-one is deliberately removing their life from them.

I would also argue against the premise that aborted babies are unwanted. Unwanted by who? Mainly the mother, in most cases. Society needs more babies for adoption. Also, when does anyone ask the father or the grandparents what they think?

In another thread, it was argued that abortion should be permitted "because the woman does not want to be a mother". What about the father? Supposing a man does not want to be a father? Does that mean that he can decide to get rid of his child? No. So why is it OK for women to decide this? Surely, if a woman does not want to be a mother, she can have her child adopted?

 

[Trashionista]

I was not talking about some hidden event where there was doubt over who did what. I was talking about the deliberate abortion of a fetus (aka baby).

When I said that we need heartstrings to stop us from being sociopaths, I was not talking about a court of law. I was talking about what stops us from behaving like sociopaths in the first place.

How many women do you know, after abortion, who go on murderous rampages?

Compare that to the sheer volume of murderers who began practising on animals.

Gee... which one stinks of disregard for life more? I'm much more fearful of the boy who blows up squirrels than I am of the woman who at 20 went into her OB/GYN or Planned Parenthood to terminate a pregnancy.

Getting into a car accident would be just that, an accident. Abortion is no accident. It is the deliberate removal of another person's life.

Well, why should one live in fear of the worst that could happen?

I get into a car. There's always a chance that I'll run over a dude on his motorbike. I do it anyways. The need for food at the grocery store outweighs the risk.

I go to get an abortion. There is a risk I may be infertile afterwards. I accept those risks, and I am no longer pregnant. The benefits outweigh the risks.

People dying from pollution can be prevented.

Only in countries where its made a priority. Not every country is willing to make it so.

You do realize the US has some of the highest rates of world pollution? As does China. There is too much benefit in factories to close down one of these factories.

Why is there such popularity in the organic food market? Becuase it can't be prevented entirely.

The deliberate removal of an "unwanted" fetus deprives that baby of his/her life. They do not even get one day of life outside the uterus. Whereas anyone else in your arguments, have had many days of life and no-one is deliberately removing their life from them.

I'd disagree. Again, its much more effective for the economy to continue running with pollution than to close down billions of factories.

Do you not think that the elderly who worked in these factories, and have died of lung diseased are a lot more missed than the unwanted fetus? The elderly who had children, who were someone's dad?

I would also argue against the premise that aborted babies are unwanted. Unwanted by who? Mainly the mother, in most cases.

Yes. That's true. I'd admit, I wouldn't want a fetus in my body right now.

Society needs more babies for adoption. Also, when does anyone ask the father or the grandparents what they think?

My parents don't need to raise another child. It would be unfair to expect them to. And face it, if I were to get pregnant at 20, they would be the ones raising it. I know it. Is that somehow fair to them?

If a man wants to be a dad that badly, well... just look at homosexual male couples. Find a surrogate, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] sperm, IVF, bam.

Yes, we need more babies to be adopted. But please. Its not as if all babies who are put up for adoption are desperately wanted. Its a lot more difficult for biracial kids to be adopted. What about the 6 year olds in foster care? There's also the overseas adoption programs that are in vogue now. Its not as if the adoption industry is at a standstill because of abortion - there's disorganization that has to be addressed as well.

In another thread, it was argued that abortion should be permitted "because the woman does not want to be a mother". What about the father? Supposing a man does not want to be a father? Does that mean that he can decide to get rid of his child? No. So why is it OK for women to decide this? Surely, if a woman does not want to be a mother, she can have her child adopted?

Yes, she can. But why should that decision be forced upon her?

 

[FaithLikeARock]

As someone who wasn't SUPPOSED to be born, like, I am a biological impossible scientific miracle, I can relate to the question somewhat.

And honestly, I think that people shouldn't say "That's silly! I was wanted and my parents were in an ideal situation". Yeah that's nice, but it's not the point. That's dodging the question. What if you WEREN'T wanted. What if you were sat in a chair with your parents, and they sat a gun in front of you. They told you they hated you, and never wanted to see you again and never wanted you from the start. But then they told you there was a family outside who did want you. Then they gave you the choice of shooting yourself or going with your new family.

I'm sorry but knowing my family didn't want me wouldn't cloud my logic that SOMEONE wants me. I've dealt with broken family and torn blood lines all my life but I've never struggled with suicide. The hardships ALL kids go through hurt me more than my biological father leaving (after doing everything he could to make my moms life hell) and my mother dying when I was 10. If my mom HAD gotten an abortion (which she considered. She didn't want to think about what I could've been born with because of her physical problems) then I would've cried so much more. I wouldn't have had the chance.

I'm against abortion but I'm not against choice and I know that people believe things different from me. But for once, I would like someone pro-choice to stop and think about those kids who shouldn't have been born, but were anyway. Knowing how close you were before you even got a chance to see the outside world is the scariest thing ever. That goes for people like me to the babies who survived abortion, and there are some that do for whatever reason. What do you think we grow up like knowing that?

So what if that baby can't speak up now? It will someday. And people brush it off as irrational thinking, but I brush that off as an excuse not to think about it. It's because of guilt. You don't want to think about what a child might say after their mother aborts them. It's unsettling. And some kids do end up doing that.

 

[rydog32]

In your opinion.

Neither is a car blowing CO2 into the atmosphere. Or a smokestack doing the same thing.

You don't think people die from pollution?

Then again, I forgot. Unwanted fetus' are worth so much more.

OH ahah i lol;d big time

 

[rydog32]

People dying from pollution can be prevented.

yeah if you stop driving your car, buying groceries and grow your own crops, maybe stop buying bibles because theres alot of paper waste going into that. But yeah i forgot god is wayyyy to important to make him upset.

 

[agent47]

I'm pro abortionist, but I would take adoptions side over abortion any day. I don't see whats wrong with removing something which is not sentient and has no nervous system, from someone who doesn't want it. If you have a house and it gets infested with ants, you lay out poison for them, and don't think twice. It's the same thing.

 

[lincolngreen50]

How many women do you know, after abortion, who go on murderous rampages?

Compare that to the sheer volume of murderers who began practising on animals.

Gee... which one stinks of disregard for life more? I'm much more fearful of the boy who blows up squirrels than I am of the woman who at 20 went into her OB/GYN or Planned Parenthood to terminate a pregnancy.



Well, why should one live in fear of the worst that could happen?

I get into a car. There's always a chance that I'll run over a dude on his motorbike. I do it anyways. The need for food at the grocery store outweighs the risk.

I go to get an abortion. There is a risk I may be infertile afterwards. I accept those risks, and I am no longer pregnant. The benefits outweigh the risks.



Only in countries where its made a priority. Not every country is willing to make it so.

You do realize the US has some of the highest rates of world pollution? As does China. There is too much benefit in factories to close down one of these factories.

Why is there such popularity in the organic food market? Becuase it can't be prevented entirely.



I'd disagree. Again, its much more effective for the economy to continue running with pollution than to close down billions of factories.

Do you not think that the elderly who worked in these factories, and have died of lung diseased are a lot more missed than the unwanted fetus? The elderly who had children, who were someone's dad?



Yes. That's true. I'd admit, I wouldn't want a fetus in my body right now.



My parents don't need to raise another child. It would be unfair to expect them to. And face it, if I were to get pregnant at 20, they would be the ones raising it. I know it. Is that somehow fair to them?

If a man wants to be a dad that badly, well... just look at homosexual male couples. Find a surrogate, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] sperm, IVF, bam.

Yes, we need more babies to be adopted. But please. Its not as if all babies who are put up for adoption are desperately wanted. Its a lot more difficult for biracial kids to be adopted. What about the 6 year olds in foster care? There's also the overseas adoption programs that are in vogue now. Its not as if the adoption industry is at a standstill because of abortion - there's disorganization that has to be addressed as well.



Yes, she can. But why should that decision be forced upon her?

I would personally be very wary of taking up a relationship with any woman who would regard a life of an unborn baby with such disregard.
There is such thing as taking adequate precautions to ensure that one does not get pregnant.
Then there is the option of adoption.
Each conception of a life is a gift from God,each time a life is destroyed it angers Him no matter how that life is taken.
But God is forgiving for those who realize their sin and ask for forgiveness.
Those who are faced with a decision such as this can pray to God for guidence

 

[agent47]

There is such thing as taking adequate precautions to ensure that one does not get pregnant.

Not all forms of contraception are fool proof. Condoms burst, the pill sometimes doesn't work. You can't predict these things.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Scripture says that the unborn live and are known by God


Luke1:41-44
41 And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy

Jeremiah 1:5

5 “ Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

Isaiah49:1
1 “Listen, O coastlands, to Me,
And take heed, you peoples from afar!
The LORD has called Me from the womb;
From the matrix of My mother He has made mention of My name.

Luke11:15-17
15 People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. 16 But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."

Hebrews 4:13
"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's eyes. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account



Do not hinder the children by aborting them in the womb

 

[Trashionista]

I would personally be very wary of taking up a relationship with any woman who would regard a life of an unborn baby with such disregard.

And thankfully, I doubt I would take up with someone as stone-age as you. Works wonderfully, I says.

Also, this isn't a "Would you marry that crazy feminazi Quirk?" discussion. The topic is about abortion. Keep to the facts. Flaming isn't cool dude.

There is such thing as taking adequate precautions to ensure that one does not get pregnant.

You do realize that nothing but abstinence is foolproof?

Then there is the option of adoption.

I am aware.

Each conception of a life is a gift from God,each time a life is destroyed it angers Him no matter how that life is taken.

Babble. Regurgitated. I've heard it before, and no, it has not changed my views. Nice try though.

But God is forgiving for those who realize their sin and ask for forgiveness.
Those who are faced with a decision such as this can pray to God for guidence

I've heard that one too.

And for good measure, when you're actually responding to a point I've made, make sure its not out of left field. Your opinion of whether I'm marriage material has nothing to do with pollution, infertility, factories in China, foster care, lung disease, or ANY point I've made. I highly doubt you actually read any point I made.