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Hi folks, I mostly post in the politics section, but I could use some help from other step-parents.

A little background: I am an only child, I don't have any children of my own, and never babysat or had any interaction with young children. When I was a kid I was reading novels by the age of eight, and as an only child to working parents was required to entertain myself a great deal of the time.

My fiance and I were recently able to move to the state where his daughter, from a previous marriage, lives with her mother. We'd been planning this for years, so I'm glad we finally made it, and I love living here.

My fiance had not had much contact with his daughter for the last four years or so, as he had to move away to take a job though which he could continue to support her, and going halfway across the country often is cost prohibitive. He has gone home at least twice a year to see her though, and done his best to make it to birthdays and other special occasions. He talks to her on the phone at least once a week, and sends cards and gifts for holidays.

Ok, so now we're here and SD has been staying with us every other weekend. I find myself wanting to pull my hair out though, because although she is eight years old, she is completely dependent on us for EVERYTHING. I can't get anything done when she's here, as even if I've been playing with her for several hours, she can't do anything by herself. For instance, if I set her up with a coloring book and her pens and pencils, she will be there for about two minutes before she wants me to participate. If I don't, then she gets up and wanders around until I do. She wants me to tell her what colors to use, and where to color, etc. etc. The phrase "color it whatever color you want" has come out of my mouth at least 50 times this weekend.

She's like this with every activity, if you're not actually right there in her business, doing it with her, she can't do it. She gives up on things after 30 seconds if they're "too hard." I can't even get her to play simple computer games that are set up for 4 year olds because she gets frustrated and quits or starts crying. Keep in mind she's not learning disabled, she's actually quite bright, just completely unwilling to try.

I worry about her, as though she's eight, I have trouble keeping her from doing things like touching hot pans on the stove, or running out into the street. It's like she has no ability to think for herself. Even when I specifically draw her attention to something dangerous, like hot pans, and tell her not to touch them, and she agrees and understands, 30 seconds later she's trying to grab something off the stove. It's maddening, and I'm constantly stressed out that she's going to hurt herself. Like we have one cat that hates other people and hides. I've probably told her 500 times not to crawl under the bed to try to grab the cat while he's hissing and growling at her, yet every time she's here she does it again. You'd think a hissing growling animal would be enough of a warning, but apparently not.

I think a good portion of this comes from her home life. She and her mom live with her grandma and grandpa and her two young uncles. She and her mom share a room and a bed. Only two of those folks work, so she has people around constantly. Her mom is kind of the same way as well, if she tries something and isn't immediately good at it she'll never do it again. They don't really go out and do anything, just hang around with the family all the time. We take SD out to the mountains and fishing and bowling and to museums and try to pack in interesting experiences. We've probably taken her more places being here for two months than she's gone in the last eight years.

Anyone have any suggestions. I know that the current wisdom for kids who are attention deprived is that they're insecure and you need to smother them with attention, but literally, if you spent 23.5 hours of the day with SD, she'd cry that she didn't get the other 0.5. I can't even go to the bathroom without her banging on the door asking where I am and what I'm doing and can she come in and when am I coming out.

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Hi folks, I mostly post in the politics section, but I could use some help from other step-parents.

A little background: I am an only child, I don't have any children of my own, and never babysat or had any interaction with young children. When I was a kid I was reading novels by the age of eight, and as an only child to working parents was required to entertain myself a great deal of the time.

Speaking both as a former step-parent and a parent, try hard not to compare your SD to yourself as a child or to any other child, for that matter. I have 3 children and am expecting my fourth. All 3 of my children are unique, despite having some shared traits due to genetics. What interests one may not interest the other. What is a strength for one may be a weakness for another. And so on. My stepson was as unique as my own children, too.

Use the knowledge that you have to help your SD grow into her own independence - not to critique her neediness now as you know her. Make sense?



Ok, so now we're here and SD has been staying with us every other weekend. I find myself wanting to pull my hair out though, because although she is eight years old, she is completely dependent on us for EVERYTHING. I can't get anything done when she's here, as even if I've been playing with her for several hours, she can't do anything by herself. For instance, if I set her up with a coloring book and her pens and pencils, she will be there for about two minutes before she wants me to participate. If I don't, then she gets up and wanders around until I do. She wants me to tell her what colors to use, and where to color, etc. etc. The phrase "color it whatever color you want" has come out of my mouth at least 50 times this weekend.

Rather than pulling your hair out (unless you're going for the bald look ;) ), try to find ways to modify your SD's activities to foster the independence you desire her to have. If she requires being more guided in activities, then perhaps a color/paint by number activity book would be a good mid-step between dependence and independence for her. Encourage her to finish one picture on her own and then praise her when she does. That positive feedback will reinforce what you want and make her feel good about herself in the process. If she is still resistant, then tell her to color all the sections for even or odd numbers and you will color the others when she is done. Eventually, the goal would be to get her to complete the picture herself - but add however many steps in between as necessary to foster that independence.

It will take time, I'm sure. But, you should see some gains on her behalf if you use this kind of approach.

Bear in mind that everything you "do" will get "undone" to some degree when she's back in her mom's environment.

She's like this with every activity, if you're not actually right there in her business, doing it with her, she can't do it. She gives up on things after 30 seconds if they're "too hard." I can't even get her to play simple computer games that are set up for 4 year olds because she gets frustrated and quits or starts crying. Keep in mind she's not learning disabled, she's actually quite bright, just completely unwilling to try.

One of my children has ADHD, but is quite bright (in the process of being tested for gifted). He will get frustrated with writing activities and gives up without trying a lot of the time. While he is very bright, it doesn't rule out the possibility of processing disorders. So, he is currently being screened for any/all learning disabilities - as well as giftedness. Being bright doesn't mean there can't be a disconnect somewhere. How does your SD perform in school?

I worry about her, as though she's eight, I have trouble keeping her from doing things like touching hot pans on the stove, or running out into the street. It's like she has no ability to think for herself. Even when I specifically draw her attention to something dangerous, like hot pans, and tell her not to touch them, and she agrees and understands, 30 seconds later she's trying to grab something off the stove. It's maddening, and I'm constantly stressed out that she's going to hurt herself. Like we have one cat that hates other people and hides. I've probably told her 500 times not to crawl under the bed to try to grab the cat while he's hissing and growling at her, yet every time she's here she does it again. You'd think a hissing growling animal would be enough of a warning, but apparently not.

Obviously, her safety is important to you. But, there could be various ways to address this. In the kitchen, assign her tasks "helping" you to keep her from doing something dangerous. For instance, while you are cooking, she can set the table - my oldest started doing this at about her age.

The stove is not something you want her to learn about through natural consequences, but the hissing/growling cat may be a lesson she has to learn by being bitten or scratched a few times. Or, if possible, keep the cat closed away in your room when your SD is there. If she intrudes, find a way to lock the door so she can't get in and teach her about personal space and not invading it.

I think a good portion of this comes from her home life. She and her mom live with her grandma and grandpa and her two young uncles. She and her mom share a room and a bed. Only two of those folks work, so she has people around constantly. Her mom is kind of the same way as well, if she tries something and isn't immediately good at it she'll never do it again. They don't really go out and do anything, just hang around with the family all the time. We take SD out to the mountains and fishing and bowling and to museums and try to pack in interesting experiences. We've probably taken her more places being here for two months than she's gone in the last eight years.

While understanding the environment at her mom's house is important, it definitely shouldn't be used as an excuse for your SD's behavior, IMO. It will make it more difficult to see gains and improvement in your SD, but it won't make it impossible. The key is all in how you approach it. Focus on the behaviors you DO want out of her and praise her when you get them - even if it's just for a few moments at a time. Try not to draw attention to the behaviors you don't want by focusing on them too much and let natural consequences teach her those lessons as much as possible.

Anyone have any suggestions. I know that the current wisdom for kids who are attention deprived is that they're insecure and you need to smother them with attention, but literally, if you spent 23.5 hours of the day with SD, she'd cry that she didn't get the other 0.5. I can't even go to the bathroom without her banging on the door asking where I am and what I'm doing and can she come in and when am I coming out.

Help!

Aside from what I've already shared, I would highly encourage you to read the book Boundaries with Kids by Cloud and Townsend - and discuss it with your fiancé so that the two of you are on the same page with regards to how to create and enforce boundaries with your SD.

I hope some of what I've said helps. Praying for you all. :prayer:
 
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I was going to say the same thing about learning some consequences with the cat, lol. I wonder if she insists on hanging around when chores need to be done. How about assigning jobs for her more often when she starts hanging around? She will either become a great help or start to stay away more often to decrease her chores.

My step son is almost 13 and finds the need to check up on where everyone is, even if I'm in the bathroom or changing clothes. And often when he goes to the bathroom, he sings or just talks loudly like we all have to be a part of what he's doing???? His life with his mom has been filled with turmoil and we are unsure of how often he has been left alone.
 
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Speaking both as a former step-parent and a parent, try hard not to compare your SD to yourself as a child or to any other child, for that matter.

Oh I agree, I was trying to show that I don't have any experience with kids, so I really don't know what's normal. I probablly should have just said that. ;)

Use the knowledge that you have to help your SD grow into her own independence - not to critique her neediness now as you know her. Make sense?
I been trying! With a lot of encouragement I got her to go across the monkeybars by herself a few weeks ago (with lots of positive reinforcement and only three crying fits...sigh), and was pleased that next time we were at a park she did it herself with no problems.

I'm trying to get her to answer obvious questions, like what time is is when there's a digital clock right in front of her, by using a positive tone to ask her questions that encourage her to check out the environment around her to find an answer. It seems to be helping.

One of my children has ADHD, but is quite bright (in the process of being tested for gifted). He will get frustrated with writing activities and gives up without trying a lot of the time.
Her dad is going down the ADHD path, but having been a tutor for a number of years to middle/high school kids having problems in math, I tend to find that a good deal of the problem can be not that they have an intrinsic disability, but that they've never been asked or required to focus.

I'm going to try to teach her to focus before we go the medical route.


In the kitchen, assign her tasks "helping" you to keep her from doing something dangerous. For instance, while you are cooking, she can set the table - my oldest started doing this at about her age.

That's the problem with her being so little. She's too short and tiny to safely reach anything that would be productive. I give her the option of doing her activity or helping me with chores though, and she usually picks her activity.

The stove is not something you want her to learn about through natural consequences, but the hissing/growling cat may be a lesson she has to learn by being bitten or scratched a few times.
That's hard being a step parent, as I know if anything, however minor, happens to her when she's with us it will cause WWIII with her mom.

We have another cat and a dog who love attention from anyone, and will play with her all day, but she wants the cat who hates people.

I hope some of what I've said helps. Praying for you all. :prayer:
It definitely makes me less worried. Thanks for your prayers. :thumbsup:
 
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I was going to say the same thing about learning some consequences with the cat, lol. I wonder if she insists on hanging around when chores need to be done. How about assigning jobs for her more often when she starts hanging around? She will either become a great help or start to stay away more often to decrease her chores.

That will definitely work. She's not bad with chores though. If I ask her to go get her stuff cleaned up or make her bed or take a bath/get ready for bed, she happily goes and does it with no help.

It's just the stuff that should be fun and entertaining for her that she can't seem to focus on.

My step son is almost 13 and finds the need to check up on where everyone is, even if I'm in the bathroom or changing clothes. And often when he goes to the bathroom, he sings or just talks loudly like we all have to be a part of what he's doing???? His life with his mom has been filled with turmoil and we are unsure of how often he has been left alone.
I think we have the opposite problem here. She's NEVER alone without someone there who dotes on her constantly, so she doesn't know how to be.

We plan on living here, which is 10 minutes away from her, for years at least, so hopefully as she grows up and realizes we're not going anywhere she'll feel more secure. At the moment, she freaks out and cries when either of us leave the apartment for any reason, like to get the mail or take out the trash. She cried the other day when I set her up with a movie in our bedroom and I was folding clothes on the bed and walked into the walk in closet (in the same room) to put them away.

The weird thing is when we drop her off at her mom's house it's like "Bye, see ya," and we suddenly don't exist anymore.

I guess it will just take time.
 
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Oh I agree, I was trying to show that I don't have any experience with kids, so I really don't know what's normal. I probablly should have just said that. ;)

I been trying! With a lot of encouragement I got her to go across the monkeybars by herself a few weeks ago (with lots of positive reinforcement and only three crying fits...sigh), and was pleased that next time we were at a park she did it herself with no problems.

I'm trying to get her to answer obvious questions, like what time is is when there's a digital clock right in front of her, by using a positive tone to ask her questions that encourage her to check out the environment around her to find an answer. It seems to be helping.

:thumbsup:

Her dad is going down the ADHD path, but having been a tutor for a number of years to middle/high school kids having problems in math, I tend to find that a good deal of the problem can be not that they have an intrinsic disability, but that they've never been asked or required to focus.

I'm going to try to teach her to focus before we go the medical route.

Word searches and crossword puzzles are good "brain gym" activities that help increase focus and attention. You can buy her kid versions at the dollar store or there are even sites online where you can create your own and print them for free. :)




That's the problem with her being so little. She's too short and tiny to safely reach anything that would be productive. I give her the option of doing her activity or helping me with chores though, and she usually picks her activity.

Understandable that she can't reach stuff. But, you could get the things together that she would need to set the table and then ask her to set it. Then, compliment her on the job she did setting the table. But, if she will pick her activities over chores, then it might be a moot point.

That's hard being a step parent, as I know if anything, however minor, happens to her when she's with us it will cause WWIII with her mom.

Here's an "out of the box" suggestion - maybe you could win mom over a bit by explaining the issue you are having with the stove or running away in a parking lot, etc. (or even the cat) and tell her your concern for her daughter's safety and well-being and ask if she has any suggestions as to how to she handles those types of situations with her daughter.

You accomplish a few things by doing this (speaking from past experience here)
-You help reduce any "threat" mom feels about your presence in her DD's life b/c you're coming to her - the expert on her child - asking for advice/suggestions.
-You make mom aware that her DD is not following safety rules at your house, so you've set the stage in case an injury occurs that you are proactively trying to prevent any injuries.

Mom may or may not respond positively, but hopefully she will.

We have another cat and a dog who love attention from anyone, and will play with her all day, but she wants the cat who hates people.

Of course! lol That's pretty typical of most kids...and even some adults...want what they can't have. ;)
 
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Here's an "out of the box" suggestion - maybe you could win mom over a bit by explaining the issue you are having with the stove or running away in a parking lot, etc. (or even the cat) and tell her your concern for her daughter's safety and well-being and ask if she has any suggestions as to how to she handles those types of situations with her daughter.

We're in a bit of a situation with her right now. Mom has no problems with me as far as I know, but she and my fiancee are fighting over the fact that she lets SD walk to school by herself. Like I said she really doesn't get the whole "don't run in the street or you'll get smashed" idea, the walk is pretty darn long, and the area is full of sex offenders per the crime maps.

I'm available to take SD to school every morning if her mom needs to work, as I work from home, but mom has refused.

I think her mom is a little blind to the fact that SD may not be ready for that just yet. Fiance is pretty steamed about it.
 
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Heh. You will most likely have no shortage of differing opinions on child-rearing, safety issues, etc. My stepson's mom used to take him to violent, R-rated movies as young as 5 yrs old so she wouldn't have to go by herself. She saw no problem with it.

Just bear in mind that even if you make an offer that you think is in your SD's best interest, that won't prevent mom from feeling like it's an attack on her parenting skills. Even if your argument is a compelling one, she may well resist simply b/c it alludes to the fact that how mom is handling things is inadequate. Been there, done that more than once.

Maybe you could start walking to "exercise" in the AM and happen to take the same route SD takes to get to school. ;)
 
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Wow your SD sounds like alot of hard work...and fun! You've prob hit the nail on the head when describing her mums house as to what the problem is is, That and If her Dad hasn't been around as much as he would have liked up till recently, she's probably still a little scared that he's gonna go again. It'll take a while (possibly a loooong while) before she's confortable that you guys arn't going anywhere! My SD has just recently started going and playing on her own without us at our house too, i know it can be frustrating when you want to get stuff done...although she has just turned 5 so it is a bit different i guess :)
I been trying! With a lot of encouragement I got her to go across the monkeybars by herself a few weeks ago (with lots of positive reinforcement and only three crying fits...sigh), and was pleased that next time we were at a park she did it herself with no problems. [unquote]

Sounds like your actually doing a pretty good job :) Give yourself some credit! Faithprevails's advice seems very wise and informed too.

With the walking to school issue, does SD have a mobile? Or could she have one? You could phone her in the morning and chat as she walks!
 
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Hmm, I have to say, I'm just sorry you moved closer and the life of step-hell ahead. There's a site called steptalk (which may seem vicious when you first start reading) that might give you some insight. I recommend the book "stepmonster" as well. Good luck, you will need it.
"She's NEVER alone without someone there who dotes on her constantly, so she doesn't know how to be."

YEP, that's the only child, poor child of divorce syndrome with adults giving her adult-spousal status (sleeps in bed with mom) and apply 'guilt parenting, and guilt grandparenting'...it won't get better I'm afraid. Next is you're the target, start competing with you for dad and disrespect and you're in hell.

IMO, she does NOT need MORE attention and to feel secure, she needs to stop thinkging she's the center of the universe and can control everyone to be at her whim and demand because they feel sorry for her. Parents "as if"...."as if" she's in a two parent home, no exceptions, no allowances, no pity, no lack of authority and discipline. If she demands MORE attention? Seperate her and send her to her room where she has NONE. IRON FIST with the children of divorce, ESPECIALLY an only child GIRL that will no-doubt play up "daddy issues". Otherwise you're life will be compeltely trashed and overthrown and your marriage at risk.

I feel so bad for you!!!
 
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Overit, are you a step parent? You paint a very bleak picture! I am a child of divorce, and a step mother to a GIRL only child who is with us only at the weekends, and I feel I have to disagree with your post quite strongly!!

YEP, that's the only child, poor child of divorce syndrome with adults giving her adult-spousal status (sleeps in bed with mom) and apply 'guilt parenting, and guilt grandparenting'

This statement is probably true, but it can deffinately be worked on! It can get better and I think sentwest has already begun to see it get better!

Sentwest said:
With a lot of encouragement I got her to go across the monkeybars by herself a few weeks ago (with lots of positive reinforcement and only three crying fits...sigh), and was pleased that next time we were at a park she did it herself with no problems.

overit said:
If she demands MORE attention? Seperate her and send her to her room where she has NONE. IRON FIST

This aproach might get her off your back for a while but is likely to result in a cold, distant relationship where you are seen as the "wicked" step mother and is unpleasant for everyone. It is possible to give a child positive attention which is constructive and helpful for both of you, without simply giving in to them, and giving them everything they want. THAT wouldn't be helpful, but neither is sending them away, and making them feel more unloved and rejected than they did previously.

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ESPECIALLY an only child GIRL that will no-doubt play up "daddy issues".
Yeah, this may well happen, and Sentwest may well find herself competing with SD for Dad's attention at times (I find this at times with my own SD) but that can happen even in traditional family set-ups where daughters compete with their Mums for Dads attention!!! You manage it, by demonstrating to the child that there is no competition! Set aside time where you all do stuff together, as well as leting her have specific one to one time with Dad!

Parenting is hard work, and in many ways, step parenting is actually harder, because its part time, but every child is a blessing and God never sends us anything that is beyond our capabilities. Wether its your own child, or one that has been added to your family, or even just a young peson who is close to you there is nothing more rewarding than being a part of watching that young person grow into an effective member of society. Pray when its hard, and enjoy it when its good!
 
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She's trying to get comfortable with you I guess.
I know you aren't her mother and all and I understand you don't want to give her constant attention. But maybe when you are making dinner or trying to do something not with her, play a movie or something.
 
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Overit, are you a step parent? You paint a very bleak picture! I am a child of divorce, and a step mother to a GIRL only child who is with us only at the weekends, and I feel I have to disagree with your post quite strongly!!

This statement is probably true, but it can deffinately be worked on! It can get better and I think sentwest has already begun to see it get better!

This aproach might get her off your back for a while but is likely to result in a cold, distant relationship where you are seen as the "wicked" step mother and is unpleasant for everyone. It is possible to give a child positive attention which is constructive and helpful for both of you, without simply giving in to them, and giving them everything they want. THAT wouldn't be helpful, but neither is sending them away, and making them feel more unloved and rejected than they did previously.

Yeah, this may well happen, and Sentwest may well find herself competing with SD for Dad's attention at times (I find this at times with my own SD) but that can happen even in traditional family set-ups where daughters compete with their Mums for Dads attention!!! You manage it, by demonstrating to the child that there is no competition! Set aside time where you all do stuff together, as well as leting her have specific one to one time with Dad!

Parenting is hard work, and in many ways, step parenting is actually harder, because its part time, but every child is a blessing and God never sends us anything that is beyond our capabilities. Wether its your own child, or one that has been added to your family, or even just a young peson who is close to you there is nothing more rewarding than being a part of watching that young person grow into an effective member of society. Pray when its hard, and enjoy it when its good!

We can disagree....yes I'm in a step-parent role. I will disagree all kids are a blessing ...sometimes disengaging is the only way to go when one child acts like spawn of chucky...if you cant' get dad/grandparents to stop guilty parenting the situation will never get better, no matter what you do.

I prayed, tried and did my best---and finally disengaged and have little to no involvement with SD-incredibly my relationship with him as improved, my relationship w/my sons has improved, I feel at peace, happy, blessed and 'normal' again. There is not one pat Christian answer for step-parenting to be honest.
 
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