Static Earth teaching.

[pawnraider]

Since I'm not getting any replies to this in the unorthodox theology section I thought I'd try here.

I came across this site and the author or authors claim that the earth is in fact stationary or static and that it's the sun that revolves around the earch and they use-or misuse-Scripture to support such a teaching. It can be found here. I would be interested to know what you think.

 

[AV1611VET]

Since I'm not getting any replies to this in the unorthodox theology section I thought I'd try here.

I came across this site and the author or authors claim that the earth is in fact stationary or static and that it's the sun that revolves around the earch and they use-or misuse-Scripture to support such a teaching. It can be found here. I would be interested to know what you think.

Personally, I think the earth revolves around the sun; but if I think otherwise, who cares?

After all -- who am I?

As long as it doesn't interfere with me ordering a pizza, I'm cool.

I would say the only ones having a real problem with it would be ... well ... ones having a real problem with it.

(Nice to meet you and welcome to CF! )

 

[Vanderhaust]

I think people can and will say whatever they think and in no way does it make it any more less or true. Anyone with a simple telescope can figure out for themselves that the universe doesn't revolve around the earth. That fact has been proven time and time again. Here's something you may find interesting though, I don't have the exact figures, but in The Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan (a very highly respected physicist) sited a study that claim in 1996 about 45% of the population still believe the sun goes around the earth. If you do a quick search today on google you'll find that about 30% of the population still believes that the sun goes around the earth.

I'll admit that this kind of bronze age thinking amazes me, but not so much. If your only sources for how the universe works is the bible then your knowledge of the universe will be limited. After all it's not really a book about science.

 

[AV1611VET]

If your only sources for how the universe works is the bible then your knowledge of the universe will be limited.

For the record, the Bible doesn't teach the sun goes around the earth.

 

[pawnraider]

For the record, the Bible doesn't teach the sun goes around the earth.

It does according to this person or these people.

 

[rambot]

That cannot be. The sun, earth, and rest of the universe revolves directly around me....
Just ask my facebook, twitter, myspace, linked, pinterest, habbo, and google+ accounts.


But as for your site, there really isn't much to think about or comment on. I find it a bit shocking that people can be that misinformed and employ such terrible logic.

misinformation+ delusional self interest+ internet = garbage like that.

 

[Vanderhaust]

For the record, the Bible doesn't teach the sun goes around the earth.

True, but the church did teach that the earth was static. I'm not sure when the church stop teaching that the earth was static, but it wasn't until 1992 that Pope John Paul II formally admitted that the earth was not stationary and that it revolved around the sun.

 

[AV1611VET]

True, but the church did teach that the earth was static.

Not my church.

 

[Vanderhaust]

Not my church.

Lol I highly doubt anyone alive can remember any of the mainstream churches teaching about a static earth. Oddly enough, about a third of the population believes that the sun goes around the earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Lol I highly doubt anyone alive can remember any of the mainstream churches teaching about a static earth. Oddly enough, about a third of the population believes that the sun goes around the earth.

In your opinion, does the earth go around the sun in spite of the Bible?

 

[Split Rock]

Since I'm not getting any replies to this in the unorthodox theology section I thought I'd try here.

I came across this site and the author or authors claim that the earth is in fact stationary or static and that it's the sun that revolves around the earch and they use-or misuse-Scripture to support such a teaching. It can be found here. I would be interested to know what you think.

From the link:
Since a stationary Earth is THE foundational creation fact in the Bible, it is also the taproot of Bible credibility! Along with the creation of all biological life and mankind which followed, God's creation of an immovable, stationary Earth constitutes the basis - the taproot - for His "tree of knowledge" with its trunk (the creation of mankind) and all its limbs and branches. Satan knows that if he can kill this taproot - this foundational knowledge - with pseudo-science this would cause the whole "tree of knowledge" to wither and die in time. That's why he started there first!"
Marshall Hall, Author - “The Earth is Not Moving.”

Interesting how similar the argument this guy uses is to the argument creationists use all the time. If Adam is isn't an historical person, yada yada... you have to throw out the bible.. yada yada... Satan wins, yada yada...

 

[Split Rock]

In your opinion, does the earth go around the sun in spite of the Bible?

I would say, the earth goes around the sun, despite what the writers of the Bible thought. The inference is of a geocentric system, with the earth first and the sun put into the firmament around it. Certainly there is no inference of a heliocentric solar system anywhere in scripture. Strange, since it was dictated by God himself....

 

[AV1611VET]

Strange, since it was dictated by God himself....

What's so strange about it?

What if God wanted heliocentrism to remain a mystery until just the right time?

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Suppose, for example, had the Tower of Babel been completed as scheduled, they would have made discoveries that were not intended to be made until later centuries?

 

[CabVet]

What's so strange about it?

What if God wanted heliocentrism to remain a mystery until just the right time?

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Suppose, for example, had the Tower of Babel been completed as scheduled, they would have made discoveries that were not intended to be made until later centuries?

Suppose God wanted evolution to remain a mystery until the 1850's... I like this way of thinking.

 

[AV1611VET]

Suppose God wanted evolution to remain a mystery until the 1850's... I like this way of thinking.

Then He would not have given us Genesis 1 as written.

 

[CabVet]

Then He would not have given us Genesis 1 as written.

Interesting, how do you reconcile these with heliocentrism then:

1 Chronicle 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

So Genesis can't be contradicted but those can?

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting, how do you reconcile these with heliocentrism then:

1 Chronicle 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

With my Boolean standards.

So Genesis can't be contradicted but those can?

Genesis 1 cannot be contradicted, since Genesis 1 is literal; the other two passages are obvious metaphors.

 

[CabVet]

With my Boolean standards.

Genesis 1 cannot be contradicted, since Genesis 1 is literal; the other two passages are obvious metaphors.

In other words, you pick and chose what you want to believe in based on what the majority of the church is doing at the time. Good to know.

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words, you pick and chose what you want to believe in based on what the majority of the church is doing at the time. Good to know.

It's called Biblical maturity, and it separates the men from the boys.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

 

[Hobz]

You're Biblically mature when you can pick what you want to believe and everyone must agree with you? Nice.