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<blockquote data-quote="NotreDame" data-source="post: 74064872" data-attributes="member: 212558"><p>“Should’ve been”? According to whom? The countless slaves at the time probably would disagree with your assessment. In fact, one need not engage in much research to find blacks at the time, free and slave, did not view the Civil War, a war which was not initially fought with the objective of freedom for slaves, was “stupid.” The abolitionist, as evinced from their writings, didn’t share your opinion. Neither did Frederick Douglas.</p><p></p><p>Of course this isn’t a popularity contest, so I digress. The Civil War, which eventually sought to also address the issue of slavery, was not “stupid.” Fundamental questions of humanity, what it meant to be human, what the nation collectively stood for in regards to ideals such as freedom, equality, all in relation to slavery, was determined by the Civil War. The Civil War undoubtedly answered those questions politically, legally, and to some extent philosophically. The answer was resolute. Notions of property interests in people defied what it meant to be human, slavery was contrary to human dignity, the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments we’re passed, along with a civil rights statute, all of which created a trajectory in the U.S. for a greater realization of liberty, equality, and fairness for non-whites and blacks, albeit an agonizingly slow progress as yet to conclude in completion or perfection.</p><p></p><p>So, those considerations show the war was not “stupid.” Tragic? Yes. Unfortunate? Yes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NotreDame, post: 74064872, member: 212558"] “Should’ve been”? According to whom? The countless slaves at the time probably would disagree with your assessment. In fact, one need not engage in much research to find blacks at the time, free and slave, did not view the Civil War, a war which was not initially fought with the objective of freedom for slaves, was “stupid.” The abolitionist, as evinced from their writings, didn’t share your opinion. Neither did Frederick Douglas. Of course this isn’t a popularity contest, so I digress. The Civil War, which eventually sought to also address the issue of slavery, was not “stupid.” Fundamental questions of humanity, what it meant to be human, what the nation collectively stood for in regards to ideals such as freedom, equality, all in relation to slavery, was determined by the Civil War. The Civil War undoubtedly answered those questions politically, legally, and to some extent philosophically. The answer was resolute. Notions of property interests in people defied what it meant to be human, slavery was contrary to human dignity, the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments we’re passed, along with a civil rights statute, all of which created a trajectory in the U.S. for a greater realization of liberty, equality, and fairness for non-whites and blacks, albeit an agonizingly slow progress as yet to conclude in completion or perfection. So, those considerations show the war was not “stupid.” Tragic? Yes. Unfortunate? Yes. [/QUOTE]
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