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Star Wars is greater than Star Trek [moved from GT]

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At a party the comical question arose between two ardent fans debating which was greater; Star Wars or Star Trek. Although of course the victor is subjective the majority consensus in the party was greatly in favor of Star Wars. But when asked why no one seemed to be able to clearly define the reason. Even George Lucas himself has admitted in interviews he really doesn’t understand why his movie generated such mass appeal. Although I am not the wisest or brightest after reflection let me attempt a hypothesis.


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When examined Star wars and Star Trek are fairly equal in science fiction imagination. From worlds beyond to extra terrestrial life interacting with mankind in dramatic fashion. So what separates them? Why does it seem to many (including myself) that Star Wars is greater(In respect to mass appeal.)? In the end I think it comes down to spiritual content.


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Star Wars, although illustrated as a much more dualistic type of spiritual idea, shares many commonalities with all the practiced religions around the globe. The idea that there is a highest order that is interwoven into everything (force). The idea that those who chose good upon death become a spirit existing as one with the force. The prophetic ability of advanced Jedi. The capability to perform miracles when one is closely in tune with the force. The self sacrifice of OB1. The redemption of Anakin Skywalker. The monk like wisdom of Yoda. The faithfulness of Luke. These ideas woven together with the vivid imagination of science fiction played a song to all people in many cultures across the world with mass appeal because it not only inspired us to dream of the stars, it allowed us to retain the beliefs we hold dear.


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Star Trek on the other hand is empty of such an idea other than indifferent space and matter, lacking philosophy and a binding force to all things which are paramount ideas to humanity. Although spiritual content is sometimes implied it’s fickle episode by episode spiritual definitions leaves it too subjective and relatively unknown by the casual viewer. The much more logically focused ,science theory, Star Trek falls short of ideas such as these leaving the general public with a less satisfying view of the possible future therefore stunning its mass appeal.


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Star Wars on the other hand clearly defines the spiritual environment illustrating nicely the binding force of the universe. Although yes I am aware there are other reasons the series appeals to many like (glowing swords, tall scary villains, fascinating characters, sword and dog fighting) I think the depth of the dual trilogy reaches beyond these superficial attractions.


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It tells us no matter how “far, far away” we go our journey to the stars does not have to be confined to the dim flat white lights in dull metallic hallways traveling to dead planets. That in our journey to beyond we can water the dry universe with our humanity carrying with us the beliefs and spiritual ideas that mankind neither wants nor will ever let go of.
 

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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Thanks, Roger459
Do you think "Absolutly nothing" was big enough?


The post addressed the philosophy of Star Wars in comparison to Star Trek. It also drew parallels to Christian tradition found in Star wars and sited these traditions as the reason the series was so popular.

READ THE POST!!!!
 
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Hmm...

My first reaction to this title "Star Wars is better than Star Trek" was... nuh uh!!!! No way!

LOL

In general, I do like Star Trek much, much more, but then I havent seen all the star wars movies.

I totally understand the comparisons you are drawing though. One thing I have definitely noticed about Star Trek is that alot of the different species, Klingons, whatever, many of them are deeply religious and worship other Gods. I have noticed that most all of the characters have extreme tolerance towards this. Also, some of the philosopy of the show seems to say that these religions are mostly just superstitions, and the more advanced species dont criticize them for it, but its there.

There is much more of a plain and simple black and white "good vs evil" theme to Star Wars. This is true.

Sure, in the whole scheme of things, this doesnt really matter, but you bring up an interesting observation.

Its probably because I have watched more Star Trek... I do like it better.
 
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In my mind,

Star Trek = liberal
Star Wars=conservative

Star Trek has their loosely defined (and sometimes hypocritical) prime directive. Star Wars has a narrowly defined spiritual directive (learn more about the force that holds the universe together). Which one resonates more with our Christian tradition?
 
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Actually, I don't think religion or philosophy has anything to do with it. I don't really like sci-fi all that much. However, Star Wars can be seen in the light of a war movie with sci-fi elements. As such the story line of a rebell element waging a war against an the empire is entertaining. Also, for some reason, Darth Vader is pretty cool. Star Trek on the other hand is basically nothing but science fiction with a quasi ultra-liberal philosophical bent. In other words it's pretty dang self righteous, not to mention very boring.
 
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From a literary analytical perspective, more people are attracted to Star Wars because there is more conflict in it.

Star Wars is full of conflict, societal, philosophical, familial, conflict from within and outside. It's this conflict that creates the crux of an engaging storyline.

Gene Roddenberry's concept for the Star Trek universe was a utopic future earth. (Incidently, it wasn't until Gene Roddenberry died that Star Trek stories became quasi new age in scope.) There may be conflict in the stories and other species they encountered, but the the core relationships were where people get along with each other. Unfortunately, stories of where people get along well with one another are boring.

And as for the spiritual context of Star Wars, I would disagree and say it is very liberal and has a definite New Age flavor. Think about it. The "force" is in everyone and everything around us, and through this "force" everyone has the ability to become powerful or "god". The ultimate "gods" are the dead incarnations of those powerful in the force, aka Kenobi, Yoda, then Darth Vader. And people turn to the dead incarnations for guidance. I would think conservative fundamentalists would be all over trying to boycott Star Wars.
 
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The undertone of this post was not as clear to people on this site as it was on this atheist site I post on (which is a good thing.)

Because people on this site are religious you guys and girls were like "So what!!!"It did not bother you because you are Christian.

But on the atheist site they understood what I was saying loud and clear.

"Star Wars is greater than Star Trek" was really me saying "Religion is greater than Atheism"

And I was siting that this was the undertone reason for it's mass appeal and why it's so popular.

So "may the force be with you."
 
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I agree, veraxacis. Star Trek has loosely defined non-religious principles a.k.a. Atheism. The definitions can change with the whim of the writer, from episode to episode. But Star Wars has a narrowly defined religious construct. It may not necessarily be Christian but it works.
 
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I still say it's because 90 percent of Star Trek episodes revolve around the technical solution to repair malfunctioning technology that doesn't exist.

"Oh no, it's another warpcore breach"

"That's the third one this season. You'd really think if people were advanced enough to built starships like this they'd be advanced enough to build ones that didn't constantly break down."

"Well, at least it's not Klingons"

"Darn skippy"
 
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I got the post and I agree two hundred and ten percent! Belief in any god is closer to believing in the one true God than belief in no god, which is why I would prefer trying to convert a pigmy in Africa rather than an Atheist: At least the Pigmy believes in a higher power above and beyond himself. And the Jedi acknowledges that he gets his power from something other than himself. He knows he's got to be "tuned in" if you will. How many of us have to be "tuned in" to God if we want him to use us without force?

You also have to consider other Christian concepts in Star Wars. We're told not to worry about tomorrow, and that fear is not of God. A Jedi is trained not to worry, not to fear because fear comes from the dark side.
What about Yoda's "There is only do, or do not. There is no try" All Christians are commanded to "not be hearers of the word only, but doers also"

But I like Star Wars for a miraid of reasons, 3 of those are: 1. It's funner to try and copy Obi-Wan with his light saber than commander Riker and his laser gun
2. Chewbacca and Yoda...what other excuse do yah need?!
3. Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christiansen, Mark Hamill, Samuel L. Jackson and Harrison Ford doing protective sword fighting, gun shooting, starship flying, damsel rescuing manly man stuff in manly man garb. Pardon me as I go all damselly.
Slainte!
Eruliel the Jedi Enthusiast.
ps. Not that I have anything against the dearly beloved Klingons. I love Warf and Alexander! They just don't have light sabers...
 
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star wars is for 10 year olds
uhmm, ok...that's one opinion. :)

anyone who thinks it's better than trek either isn't very intelligent or simply doesn't understand trek at all
...Or they have a different view of them then you do? :sorry:
That's like saying apples are what smarter people eat, oranges are for dopes. :)
tulc(didn't care for either, but again, that's just my opinion)
 
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star wars is for 10 year olds

anyone who thinks it's better than trek either isn't very intelligent or simply doesn't understand trek at all
honestly do you hear yourself you sound like a 10 year old, geez
(Star Wars is better :p)
 
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