Standing up to Islam?

JM said:

With all the drama in Europe concerning Islam I have to ask, can a fractured Protestantism repel the Islamization of the West? I speaking in terms of worldview not violence.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

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My answer is no. Even a fully unified Church cannot repel them. Because they live by the sword. The only way to repel those that live by the sword is to meet them with a bigger sword.

Some can (and do) get won over by the truth of God's word. But for most Islamic fundamentalists, the belief in Islam is ingrained in every aspect of their life. Everything they do is centered around their faith. I get that there are Muslims who live in peace (perhaps the majority) but that is not the question. The question is what to do about the Muslims that follow their faith in all aspects of life and part of that following of their faith has to do with exerting power over the non believers. This includes using terror to increase their power and influence. That kind of thinking can only be met with blood.

When Jesus returns will there not be much shedding of blood as the enemies of God are taken out?

PapaZoom said:

My answer is no. Even a fully unified Church cannot repel them. Because they live by the sword. The only way to repel those that live by the sword is to meet them with a bigger sword.

Some can (and do) get won over by the truth of God's word. But for most Islamic fundamentalists, the belief in Islam is ingrained in every aspect of their life. Everything they do is centered around their faith. I get that there are Muslims who live in peace (perhaps the majority) but that is not the question. The question is what to do about the Muslims that follow their faith in all aspects of life and part of that following of their faith has to do with exerting power over the non believers. This includes using terror to increase their power and influence. That kind of thinking can only be met with blood.

When Jesus returns will there not be much shedding of blood as the enemies of God are taken out?

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I would agree.


On a side note I am a twin and that should strike fear in everyone who comes into contact with me.

JM said:

With all the drama in Europe concerning Islam I have to ask, can a fractured Protestantism repel the Islamization of the West? I speaking in terms of worldview not violence.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

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I think that the West will take a long while to conquer. While most of the West is not really "Christian" it does still have and stand for a "Christian" set of values for the most part. Of course there are exceptions but most of us do not desire to be under Muslim rule.

The biggest problem that I have seen in the West is that men have been so feminized that there are very few real men left. Also we have had the notion of a belief or right that is important enough to stand up and die for brainwashed out of us. Few today would actually stand in the face of an enemy trying to enforce their rule violently. We have been taught that violence is always bad when it is sometimes required in the face of a bully. We are told to run when faced with an enemy.

JM said:

That's my point, sorta. What kept Islam from coming West was a supposed "Christian" West, a united front. Prots and RC's agreed that Islam is unnaturally evil (inspired by evil rather than driven by our own sinful natures).

jm

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One of the things, IMHO, that has made it easy for Muslims to infiltrate and will eventually allow them to take over Europe is that Europeans have had the notion of freedom taken away from them. They have given themselves over to Socialism and Communism to the point that they have no problem with an oppressive government. That is why most of the rest of the world is easily overtaken by Muslims.

But in the US especially there are still enough of us who value our freedoms to fight against just such a takeover though we are a fast dwindling lot.

JM said:

It was recently ruled in Saskatchewan (that's a Canadian Province) that "truth is no defence" if you end up offending someone.

Crazy.

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I am sure that you noted that Saskatchewan is in Canada for all the other folks right?

Yeah that does seem really scary actually. I guess that all those folks who live there will be walking on eggshells in order to not offend anyone.

We should not buy into the media's politically-correct toadying notion of "radical Islam" or "radicalized Islamists" as if there is truly such a thing as a true Muslim who is not already radical, given what their book teaches.

I would ask, What doesn't offend Muslims? The only truthful answer from a faithful Muslim is that Muslims are offended by the existence of anyone who is not Muslim.

If you're not Muslim, you're an infidel. First and foremost–it's not what you say or do, but what you are, that's intolerable.

You could say nothing, or you could mouth all the right Islamic honorific titles in conversations with Muslims (empowering and emboldening) them), but even that is insufficient to placate Muslim sensibilities. For that matter, it's not even enough to be Muslim. After all, it is offensive to be the wrong kind of Muslim. Sunnis are offensive to Shiites, and vice versa.

Many Muslims still believe the Christian Trinity is “Father, Son, and Mother”. (Surah 5:116) Sigh. This caricature of the Trinitarian doctrine in the Muslim's holy book is alone sufficient evidence that the book of Islam is not divinely inspired. For if it were, the book would at least get the doctrine of the Trinity as taught in the Bible and believed by Christians correct. The fact that it does not is prima facie evidence of the questionable origins of the book.

This fact is more pointed given that the book of Islam arrived on the scene in the seventh century, hundreds of years after the church had declared the doctrine of the Trinity at Chalcedon in answer to the numerous heresies that were prevalent at the time. Was God ignorant of what the Christian church was declaring about His one divine essence and three personal subsistences (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) when His angel, Gabriel, presumably revealed God to Muhammad a cave in the seventh century? You would think that this presumed "corrective" from God through Gabriel to Muhammad would at least have its facts straight about the Christianity being denounced therein.

In the final analysis all the lachrymose pontifications by Muslims that Islam is a religion of peace ignores the reality of their own book.

That which is contained in the book of Islam is clearly denied by Muslims who profess their peaceful religion. Shirk! Indeed, they are hypocrites of the first order of their own professed (but apparently not possessed) faith.

Any Muslim who gives their careful attention to the violence now part of the Sharia, Muhammad’s Sunna (e.g., 4:24, 4:92, 8:69, 24:33, 33:21, 33:50), and the sword and anti-Christian verses of the Qur’an (e.g., 4:74, 4:91, 8:12, 9:5, 9:29, 33:35-36, 59:2) should realize that the so-called "typical" Muslim's claims of "Islam is a religion of peace" are but chimeras of their own making.

Muslims are quick to point to the violence recorded in the Christian bible and claim that Christianity’s early history was violent, too. But unlike the Bible where some very awful history is recorded, the violence described in the Qur’an is part of Islamic theology. This is a very significant distinction between the two belief systems.

The famous Muslim scholar and “father of modern history” Ibn Khaldun (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun) states the dichotomy between jihad and defensive warfare thus:


If a Muslim are going to stand for something he or she should at least stand for what their book actually teaches rather than claiming "Islam does not teach this or that" when it clearly does.

AMR

I think Western society will win out in the end. After years and decades materialism and comforts will make it mainly harmless just like other religions. Who wants to be an extremist when the new iPhone comes out next week and the new season of your favorite TV series just got released on Netflix?!

Western society has defeated every other religion, I think it can handle Islam as well!

Actually, when one looks behind the facade of Islamic countries one finds a radically different view than is presented in the media. First, Islam is far from unified. We do hear about the Sunni and Shia branches, but not about other branches. These branches have been at war with each other for centuries with no end in sight. Second, Islam is not unified culturally despite its insistence on Arabic only in reading the Qu'ran and an Arabic culture. Indonesian Islam is radically different from Pakistani Islam. Kurdish Muslims are extremely open to any other religion which can help them in their struggle to throw off the oppression of centuries of domination by other Islamic cultures. Third, modern materialistic culture has introduced many deeply disturbing things into the heart of Islam. Most Iranians deeply desire to be American and to enjoy the benefits of American culture. They deeply resent the forced asceticism of the ayatollahs.

For these reasons it is exceedingly unlikely that Islamic radicals will ever be able to establish a united caliphate which will conquer the world in the name of Allah.