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Back from Services, only to find yet ANOTHER rotten-child definitional theological question...Wondering what your definition of sanctification is? Thanks.
Thank you for your response, Arsenios. That is how I understand justification as well.
Didn't mean to sneak it in just didn't want to present this idea without us having common ground.
Think 2 Peter 1:4-8 and Romans 8:29-30 are interwoven. Justification would include faith, virtue, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love.
Adjoining puzzle piece?
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No good deed ever goes unpunished, I say!
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Prayer without ceasing , imho, is to be vigilantly aware of His Presence at all times in a position of not allowing the Holy Spirit to be grieved. Iow praying without ceasing is forever being in a position of submission of the known word of God in your life. To be nonvigilant would encompass falling back from that which has been revealed as truth to follow a different path.Here is another one of those (naughtzo-) simple little practical questions...
Scripture instructs us to "be praying without ceasing"... [Paul]
What does that mean?
How is it attained?
OR...
BETTER...
How is this virtue discipled BY someone TO someone else??
Arsenios
(And if any one of you mother's little snots replies: "Tell him to pray without ceasing" then... then..... Why Eye Oughtta whap ya one!)
Prayer without ceasing , imho, is to be vigilantly aware of His Presence at all times in a position of not allowing the Holy Spirit to be grieved. Iow praying without ceasing is forever being in a position of submission of the known word of God in your life. To be nonvigilant would encompass falling back from that which has been revealed as truth to follow a different path.
Reckon it to be true.I totally agree with that and more...
So the question was...
"How do you deciple that activity to someone who does not have it?"
eg "How do you disciple to another this particular unceasing awareness?"
Arsenios
So let's say that I do reckon the desirability of prayer without ceasing to be vigilant awareness of the omnipresence of God... And I say to you: Cassia, I totally get that this is crucial for me to have for my Spiritual well-being and even for the Salvation of my soul... But here is my problem: The house smells of unwashed diapers and the cat-box, I've got 5 kids with no job, my husband works at a minimum-wage job, the kids are getting into one problem after another, I don't get enough sleep, and my husband is mad at me when he comes home and dinner isn't ready for him. iow, Cassia, I am overwhelmed by all these distractions requiring my immediate focus and attention, and prayer without ceasing is simply not an item I can find room for on my plate..."Reckon it to be true.
Thank-you for taking a stab at it, btw... The quality of the silence around here apart from you is simply deafening, I must say... Prayer without ceasing, btw, is decidedly a mental distraction issue... It entails the reducing of first exterior noise (talking), and then interior noise (thinking), in a Christian manner - eg by by prayer...
Arsenios
But, (if you want a fool's view) in my experience, that is when it is even more important to recognize the constant prayer in the depths and background of our being, that says "Lord help me, I can't do this alone", where I can recognize "Christ within me, Christ behind me, Christ before me, Christ beside me"...that those distractions and concerns are all the waves on the surface, but there is a deep water beneath that is free from all of that.I am overwhelmed by all these distractions requiring my immediate focus and attention, and prayer without ceasing is simply not an item I can find room for on my plate..."
I think that there is great interest and very little knowledge...Don't mistake silence for lack of interest. I am following this thread with keen attention...just sometimes better "to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt", as goes the quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln.
In my case, at least, "great interest and very little knowledge", is an apt description. True, there is a vast body of writings, of which I have barely scratched the surface (though I keep reading).I think that there is great interest and very little knowledge...
I came to Christ outside of Church, and I cannot tell ANYONE to EVER do what I did...
But within the Church there exists a great body of writings on the means of discipleship...
2000 years worth...
When I first encountered these writings on my approach to the Church, I recognized in them people who knew God as I had come through the world to know...
As I understand the human quest for God, it is a REALITY quest...
Arsenios
Now that we have assumed you are an overworked woman in need of a better husband we can only assume that the need for a right husband is in demand. Romans 7:2 In order to do that one must consider (reckon) the old husband (former nature) to be dead in order to become the bride of the new bridegroom. If that reckoning fails then He is also the advocate that will be there when you need Him, unlike the demanding old husband.But here is my problem: The house smells of unwashed diapers and the cat-box, I've got 5 kids with no job, my husband works at a minimum-wage job, the kids are getting into one problem after another, I don't get enough sleep, and my husband is mad at me when he comes home and dinner isn't ready for him. iow, Cassia, I am overwhelmed by all these distractions requiring my immediate focus and attention, and prayer without ceasing is simply not an item I can find room for on my plate..."
So granting that the above is somewhat extreme, the simple fact is that most people, voluntarily, unlike our less voluntary example above, or involuntarily, are distracted by worldly concerns - Many by carreer considerations, and by the normal day to day attentive needs that the world provides for each of us. How does one DISCIPLE the Faith Christ GAVE to His Disciples to a person with countless worldly distractions? Or even this one feature of that Faith, to be praying without ceasing?
Thank-you for taking a stab at it, btw... The quality of the silence around here apart from you is simply deafening, I must say... Prayer without ceasing, btw, is decidedly a mental distraction issue... It entails the reducing of first exterior noise (talking), and then interior noise (thinking), in a Christian manner - eg by by prayer...
Arsenios
~ The Simple life ~ Charles Wagner circa 1890'sI think that there is great interest and very little knowledge...
I came to Christ outside of Church, and I cannot tell ANYONE to EVER do what I did...
But within the Church there exists a great body of writings on the means of discipleship...
2000 years worth...
When I first encountered these writings on my approach to the Church, I recognized in them people who knew God as I had come through the world to know...
As I understand the human quest for God, it is a REALITY quest...
Arsenios
So do you not think that they are sequentially etiological according to their listed order in Scripture?Thank you for your response, Arsenios. That is how I understand justification as well.
Think 2 Peter 1:4-8 and Romans 8:29-30 are interwoven. Justification would include faith, virtue, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love.
Adjoining puzzle piece?
For reasons to clarify what you're saying, why is it that you condemn the means Christ used to led you to Him?I think that there is great interest and very little knowledge...
I came to Christ outside of Church, and I cannot tell ANYONE to EVER do what I did...
But within the Church there exists a great body of writings on the means of discipleship...
2000 years worth...
When I first encountered these writings on my approach to the Church, I recognized in them people who knew God as I had come through the world to know...
As I understand the human quest for God, it is a REALITY quest...
Arsenios
For reasons to clarify what you're saying, why is it that you condemn the means Christ used to led you to Him?
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