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That is missing the point.
Go back to being a Christian in the year 200. The Aposles are dead.
There is no bible
Someone gives you an Epistle to read.
How do you know it's genuine?
Was this before or after Peter yielded to the strength of Paul's position?
And "somehow" they accepted information about the Nazarene that could not be verified or normed in the OT (the the person Jesus Christ actually did these things that fulfilled the prophecy) which removes them from being sola-scriptura.No, that doesn't even make sense. Somehow they had to hear news of the Nazarene. From there, yes OT carries the day. What made the Bereans more noble was that they searched the Scriptures, to see whether the claims being made were relevant.
They found that they were.
This is what California Josiah went to great lengths to spell out as norma normans, or some such. (As long as it wasn't Cliff Clayburn)
ALL the books of the Bible were in use before the Bible was ever compiled! Not sure why this significant point gets glossed over
If you could refine it so as to look at the question one might know that in Acts 15 some of the believers thought that despite the OT saying one must circumcise that we were no longer bound by that.
There's not OT text that they are shown to consult that say that circumcision is to end - only that it's valid to get gentile converts.
Without referring to scripture they then came to a decision, gave that decision as was good to them and published it (without reference to OT scripture).
And "somehow" they accepted information about the Nazarene that could not be verified or normed in the OT (the the person Jesus Christ actually did these things that fulfilled the prophecy) which removes them from being sola-scriptura.
Please read again:
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Their being more noble is not because they examined the Scriptures. It is because they received Paul's oral testimony about the person of Jesus Christ (which is not found in Scripture), contrary to the Thessalonians.
So why the need of a council when the many Christians of that day had the Holy Spirit to guide and interpret the OT for themselves individually? Where are the non-denom's councils of today if such a dispute arises?Try again.
Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
So why the need of a council when the many Christians of that day had the Holy Spirit to guide and interpret the OT for themselves individually? Where are the non-denom's councils of today if such a dispute arises?
You never answered. Why the need for even one binding council on sola Scripture folks who've already accepted Christ and thereby believe they're being lead by the Holy Spirit when they interpret? And in today's world, how do the non denoms like yourself settle important doctrinal disputes when such matters arise? Certainly the Apostles knew this would happen so if you suggest that self + Holy Spirit is all we have along with some 'possible' suggestions from others where self + Holy Spirit would once again have to discern the truth, what makes you better than NT Christians where they actually needed a Council and you don't.Councils have met for 2,000 years. Not all Christians bind themselves to all their decisions, eh?
You never answered. Why the need for even one binding council on sola Scripture folks who've already accepted Christ and thereby believe they're being lead by the Holy Spirit when they interpret? And in today's world, how do the non denoms like yourself settle important doctrinal disputes when such matters arise? Certainly the Apostles knew this would happen so if you suggest that self + Holy Spirit is all we have along with some 'possible' suggestions from others where self + Holy Spirit would once again have to discern the truth, what makes you better than NT Christians where they actually needed a Council and you don't.
That is missing the point.
Go back to being a Christian in the year 200. The Aposles are dead.
There is no bible
Someone gives you an Epistle to read.
How do you know it's genuine?
Peter is who receives the vision and direct orchestration from God that the Gentiles are not to be seen as 'unclean', through vision and the encounter with Cornelius. Paul isn't around.
Peter alone makes the decision to baptize the first Gentiles without first requiring them to be circumcised. Paul isn't around.
Paul is not who established this 'position'. It was God, working through Peter, and the strength of the position is God's, not Paul.
Paul rightly gets a little perturbed with Peter when he refuses to directly take on James' group in Antioch. That will change in Jerusalem.
In Acts 15, James and his party are unmoved by the testimony of Paul and Barnabas, and still insist the Gentiles must be circumcised.
Only when Peter takes the floor and speaks is the debate silenced, and James concedes -- up to that point in time he has been an adamant proponent of requiring circumcision. He cites Peter's testimony, not Paul's in making his decision.
You were saying?
And "somehow" they accepted information about the Nazarene that could not be verified or normed in the OT (the the person Jesus Christ actually did these things that fulfilled the prophecy) which removes them from being sola-scriptura.
SU, I'm not here for another "which Tradition is correct" thread. I merely just want to know how you reconcile what took place during that Council with the current sS Christian world since you believe the same Holy Spirit and same rules are being applied.
SU, I'm not here for another "which Tradition is correct" thread. I merely just want to know how you reconcile what took place during that Council with the current sS Christian world since you believe the same Holy Spirit and same rules are being applied.
I knew it wasn't just me.This is the end of rational discussion. Again, I might as well take a RC concept like "praying to Mary," and willfully distort it into what it is not, and then assert that to be what you claim.
This is exactly what you have done here.
John10:27:My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:How do you know it's genuine?
John10:27:My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
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