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This is who you call "saint" Mont...

Does this like a man who was filled with the Love of God and who shared the love Christ with others?
 
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Here are John Calvin's own words about Michael Servetus:

Here is what John Calvin had to say about Michael Servetus after he was burned to death:

 
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It's called an imperative lionroar. Do you understand what that is? Do you honestly believe that that verse indicates that man, in this life, will ever be perfect?

Yes.

Being perfect likeour Father, does not mean that we share in His essence but partake of it freely with out the hindrance of sin.

We have this hope. We have the hope of becoming Saints. That is being perfected in this life, because of the grace of Christ. That is we have the hope of becoming like Adam and Eve who walked with God, befofe they sinned.

Your christian tradition does not teach this.

Catholicism does and others teach something similar.
 
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I know what your thinking

Being perfect likeour Father, does not mean that we share in His essencd but partake of it freely with out the hindrance of sin.

Peace
or else why would have Jesus and John and Peter have said it if we aren't supposed to be it? It is simply becoming once again what we lost in the fall. Holy children of God... not dung covered up like Luther taught
 
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I looked but I didn't see anything in that quote about baptism. Was that part of the larger context from which you prooftext?
 
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...he mostly taught heresy.

And I have no doubt that Calvin would have worn such an accusation as a badge of honor, submitting that to align oneself with the teachings of Rome is to align oneself against Scripture.
 
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Tell you what, prove to us these dudes are in heaven...

Michelle, for our edification, prove that any person whom Scripture itself does not say is in Heaven is there. Just one will do. Thanks.

Pray to them and see if they can grant you a miracle from God. Becuase God was so darned pleased with all the accomplished he will hear their prayers...

If that's not an indication of what Catholics expect should happen when they pray to a saint I don't know what is. Of course, these are your own words but, based on recent activity, I'm sure someone will turn it into an attempt to have me banned. Some people do that I hear.
 
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LOL! He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. That is why "my Christian tradition" denies the validity of such a claim.

You guys make this far too easy...
 
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or else why would have Jesus and John and Peter have said it if we aren't supposed to be it?

Strange...Pelagius, you know, the heretic, said that if God commands something of man then man must be able to do it.

Where did I hear that recently...
 
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Here are John Calvin's own words about Michael Servetus:


Here is what John Calvin had to say about Michael Servetus after he was burned to death:
2 things....Servetus came to geneva trying to flee CATHOLIC persecution for denying the trinity....
John Calvin though known as the man whom burned servetus actually had nothing to do with it!
 
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LOL! He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. That is why "my Christian tradition" denies the validity of such a claim.

You guys make this far too easy...



This why the Saints were perfected in Christ, because they confessed their sins, through out their entire lives and were made righteous by Christ. They were perfec in Christ and through Christ. It's a process that takes a lifetime.

From your reponce it looks like you were under the misguided notion that Saints do not sin.

They are not Saints, because they did not sin. They are Saints because, they confessed their sins.



If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.


Peace
 
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This why the Saints were perfected in Christ, because they confessed their sins, through out their entire lives and were made righteous by Christ. Just like I have been posing all along.


share with me how your saint Dymphna confessed her sins throughout her life!
 
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share with me how your saint Dymphna confessed her sins throughout her life!

Through the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

She was baptised as a young woman. Her sins wiped clean at baptism and then everytime she partook of the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

Peace
 
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Through the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

She was baptised as a young woman. Her sins wiped clean at baptism and then everytime she partook of the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

Peace
You don't and can't know this she ran for her life until she lost it! From her father no less! Apparently not respectful of at least 1 commandment!
 
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This why the Saints were perfected in Christ, because they confessed their sins, through out their entire lives and were made righteous by Christ. They were perfec in Christ and through Christ. It's a process that takes a lifetime.

Actually, it is a process that takes more than a "lifetime" as we retain some measure of our old nature even after being recreated by God. It is only when God removes all vestige of sin from our being and confirms us in a state of perpetual grace that we are truly perfected in Christ. Where you denomination errs is in assuming that anyone has been completely perfected while still in their sinful flesh, which is certainly not supported by anything Scriptural, nor is it something that any of you could actually verify.

From your reponce it looks like you were under the misguided notion that Saints do not sin.

They are not Saints, because they did not sin. They are Saints because, they confessed their sins.

Well, sad as that theory may be, our confession is the response to the work of God, not the means to it. I know, I know. You see your works as just as integral to the forgiveness of your sins as Christ's work. Forgiveness is a joint venture. So much for that whole "don't boast" thing but the idea of being made perfect in this life, truly perfect in deed and in thought, is nothing if not unbiblical.



You, the saints, these mythical Saints you love to goggle over, me, every created person ever created, all of us, will be sinners, imperfect, until the day that God glorifies us in Heaven. Your denomination's unbiblical claims of perfection in this life, while in this sinful coil, are simply the clanging of bells and have no place in the heart of a believer. In fact, such claims were typical of Pelagius whom, as I previously pointed out, was condemned for heresy.
 
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It is only when God removes all vestige of sin from our being and confirms us in a state of perpetual grace that we are truly perfected in Christ.

In fact, such claims were typical of Pelagius whom, as I previously pointed out, was condemned for heresy

Because he stated that we could work for Grace and achieve a perfect life by working for Grace.

And we have the hope that God will remove all vestige of sin in this life by cooperating with God's Grace.

Your christian tradition does not teach this.

Peace





 
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