Benedicta00
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You didn't have to evacuate because of those fires huh? Aren't you in southern California?
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I've been away for a few days
Ah, no...Nope, ya'll are just showing a basic lack in understanding what I am really saying and I really don't know how I can be more clear, especially with you habitually claiming that I say things that I don't.
That's OK, tho, as it is part of posting on message boards.
Our unity isn't in doctrines but in Christ
all doctrine is essential... least God would not have bothered to reveal it us.I suppose we should define what are essential doctrines and what are not? Would that help? As a blanket statement, I stand by what I said, even if you misunderstand what I mean.
Or should we quit hijacking this poor thread. LOL
I did, I fixed it. I was asking Reformationist if he was by those fires.Bene, I think you quoted someone else along with me.
I've been busy, but not out of town. I am planning on a week off in November to go hunting/camping. I live in Montana...our fires are out, thank God. I have family in SoCal and things are a bit hairy.
LOL So you think sprinkled vs dunked is an essential point of contention?all doctrine is essential... least God would not have bothered to reveal it us.
This notion that we are united in the essentials and the rest is lagniappe (french word for a little something extra) is erroneous... it's one of those teachings of men that was handed down from the Baptist church.
LOL So you think sprinkled vs dunked is an essential point of contention?
LOL So you think sprinkled vs dunked is an essential point of contention?
I don't. I think there are non-essentials, such as my above example, that don't impact a persons salvation and don't cast doubt on whether or not they are following God, as opposed to a god.
We count you as brother because of your baptism regardless if you think it is symbolic or not. What you think does not effect the realty of what baptism is, a holy mystery that incorporates us into the death and resurrection of Christ.So because I beleive it is symbolic, because the Bible does not tell us it is necessary to be saved (but it is an act of obedience and should be done) then you don't count me as a brother? I am in rebelion/schism/heresy?
What question?LOL, thanks for continually ducking my questions.
That's establishment christendom's (as opposed to chrtistianity's)private interpretation of the EVERY ONE in the first 1530 years.Take a look into the early Church for the first 1530 years... NO ONE ever interpreted scripture in the way you guys have been in the last 500. Why is that, Mont?
Baptism... even Luther and Calvin believed it to be NECESSARY and a sacrament (an outward sign that imparts grace) and that it wasn't just some little symbolic thing. No Christan ever thought that until maybe a few hundred years ago.
"For Christ also said, 'Except ye be born again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.' Now, that it is impossible for those who have once been born to enter into their mothers' wombs, is manifest to all. And how those who have sinned and repent shall escape their sins, is declared by Esaias the prophet, as I wrote above; he thus speaks: 'Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from your souls; learn to do well; judge the fatherless, and plead for the widow: and come and let us reason together, saith the Lord. And though your sins be as scarlet, I will make them white like wool; and though they be as crimson, I will make them white as snow. But if ye refuse and rebel, the sword shall devour you: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.' And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason. Since at our birth we were born without our own knowledge or choice, by our parents coming together, and were brought up in bad habits and wicked training; in order that we may not remain the children of necessity and of ignorance, but may become the children of choice and knowledge, and may obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed, there is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe; he who leads to the layer the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone. For no one can utter the name of the ineffable God; and if any one dare to say that there is a name, he raves with a hopeless madness. And this washing is called illumination, because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings. And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed."
Justin Martyr,First Apology,61(A.D. 110-165),in ANF,I:183
Bapstism saves?We count you as brother because of your baptism regardless if you think it is symbolic or not. What you think does not effect the realty of what baptism is, a holy mystery that incorporates us into the death and resurrection of Christ.
And the bible indeed tells us baptism saves, it is just obtuse to keep denying it does.
He can be wrong because he was just another person. The Bible clearly says that we believe first and get baptised (water) second. We are saved first.Let's test your ability to be open to factual historical Christianity.
You see this guy? He learned from the apostles... how can he be wrong and 16-1700 years later some racial new Anabaptist tradition be right?
Say what?? Again, you know not what you say...He can be wrong because he was just another person. The Bible clearly says that we believe first and get baptised (water) second. We are saved first.
Praise God that He sent brave men to question tradition and to study and show the masses the truths in Scripture.
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