spiritual science

Caphi said:

Hello! You haven't proved your "split" except by assuming the Bible is true, and you haven't proved the Bible except by assumine your split! That's circular reasoning, folks, and it simply means, to make it simple enough for dad's walnut brain, that you have proved SQUAT.
[If only christians who did even sort of believe the bible realize the invincible shield available to them with this concept, then the battle is almost over. It wouldn't take too long to mop up the floor for all intents and puposes, and us majority could stop you minority from forcing your has been beliefs on unsuspecting children!!]



Of course, you've proved that snakes speak English, apple trees make you immortal, and people live for thousands of years. Oh wait, YOU HAVEN'T!
[We covered belief already, and your minority belief, as baseless as it is is fine, as I say, if you keep it to your fellow believers. No one is going to prove the past was or was not merged with the spiritual, or was, or was not physical only. So no one has to believe either by force! We need to keep it to actual science being taught, and not minority beliefs!]



Until you conclusively prove the Bible is factually accurate, your spiritual science is a steaming pile of bunk.
[Fair enough, as far as your personal opinion goes. Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one. Conversely, until you prove that our future and past were physical only, your falsely so called science is a steaming pile of bunk. Not only that, a totally baseless steaming pile of bunk that doesn't even have the good book backing it up, nor men's world of spiritual experience. It has as little a nothing as they say the big bang universe all stsrted from!]



No, it's your claim that you are speaking out of logic and rationality. It simply amazes me that you can create a topic which is nothing beyond a gigantic textbook example of circular reasoning and then have the audacity to claim that you speak from logic. Just amazing.
[I speak with man's logic of known science. I speak with man's accumulated vast experiences with the supernatural, and spiritual. I also speak with the very word of the Living God, as well, the bible. All you can boast is some offshoot belief best called science, falsely so called. Amazing you evo bent folks got away with it for so long!]



But it is! You've created your very own deus ex machina device so you can pretend the Bible matches science, but the world doesn't work that way at all, dad.
[No need to pretend. Name any aspect of actual, real, known science, gravity, fossils, lightspeed, continental plate movement, etc etc. and it is all grist for bible believer's mills! Now when it comes to so called dating attempts of the past, and the beliefs and assumptions involved in that falsely so called science, well, who gives a hoot about mere beliefs here anyhow?]



Ahaha. And I have the Polkadot Supercalifragilistic Rhinobee's stinger, but that means nothing to the debate, now does it?
[Doesn't do much for me, you have a point. But if it is part of your beliefs, hey, sneak up to your room, and enjoy it!]



WHAT?! You have neither logic nor evidence. [Actual science, and a time honored and tested and proven document, logically outscore baseless distant presumpuous, death dreams of the denizens of the box!] You have an old book and a gigantic pile of fallacy. Again, how can you create such a gigantic logical circle and then proclaim that your ideas are based on logic?! That's some audacity, dad!



None of it's real science. It's just some giant fantasy you've concocted because you can't cope with the fact that the Universe is five billion years old. Welcome to reality, my friend.
[Your reality, palsy, is welcome here. It's always fun to put amateur's perceived evidence on the table, and expose it for the little joke it is. Go ahead, back up your billions claim if you can]



The Bible isn't evidence. You have not given any sort of compelling argument as to why I should believe anything Genesis says, or indeed any of the Bible. Instead, you have a lovely circular house of cards. You haven't proved that either the Bible or your Biblescience is true in its own right, you've just propped them up against each other and hoped no one notices.
[Speaking of circles, why do you keep spinning your wheels without going anywhere? Neither of us need prove our beliefs to each other. You don't have to believe it, and we don't have to believe your 'was only physical, and always will be only physical, and there is nothing but the box' routine. You have not given any sort of compelling argument as to why I should believe that the universe always will be, and was physical only. We all know it now is, we are not daft. No one argues real science of the here and now. So we simply need to stick to that, as we all agree on it, and leave out the beliefs of evo old age dreams.]

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MartinM said:

Broadly accurate. The city on the mainland, at the Fountain of Ras-el-ain, was originally separate from Tyre, and seems to have become part of it along the way at some point. The Bible does indeed differentiate between the two. Ezekial talks of Nebuchadnezzar's army taking Tyre's "daughters on the mainland," before coming for Tyre itself, "out in the seas."


But modern Tyre sits on the site of the island stronghold of ancient Tyre, not at Ras-el-ain. The Sidonaian port of ancient Tyre is still in use as a port today, and the remains of the Egyptian port can still be seen. The modern buildings stand alongside ruins from Roman times, and atop those from Phoenician times.

Here's a map of modern Tyre:

As you can see, it's no longer an island. The causeway built by Alexander in order to capture the city still connects it to the mainland today. It's quite easy to see which part used to be the island, however. To the North of that part is the Sidonian port (marked on the map as the 'Old port')

Here is an aerial photograph of Tyre, taken from the North.

It's clear enough how this corresponds to the map, and again the area that was originally an island is easy to spot. At the bottom of the picture is the Sidonian port; the area all around it is thriving with life.

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Electric Sceptic said:

So it looks like the old "Tyre never being rebuilt' is yet another failed prophecy from the bible...

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