Spiritual Breakdown

[Sunrunner]

I just had a spiritual breakdown...

Earlier this year I discovered the Creation Seventh-day Adventists. I began studying with them over MSN. Their doctrines seemed faultless and it seemed like the purest Adventism you could find. They believe that the Church united with the State through the Trademark Issues(Deut. 24 principle) and that there is just one more calling out before Judgment Day. I believed this, and I tried to leave my church.

That had horrible repercussions. It was a nasty ordeal and eventually I caved under pressure into staying. After that, I was scared and confused, so I cut off contact with the CSDAs.

Then tonight, I decided to try and open up contact again (out of curiousity). The man who I was studying with explained to me that if I was too weak now to do this then I would be too weak to survive the Last Day events. I couldn't answer him, because I had no excuse or response.

So I block him once again. And now I am having a spiritual breakdown. I am confused again, and scared.

I want to believe that the Church isn't fallen, but I am unsure. I need guidance and advice..

 

[bkimberli]

Wow, I am praying for you. I am new to the SDA church so I do not have much advice, but I am sure you will find some here. This is a great board. I definitely would say to pray about this and see where the Lord leads you because a Christ-like man to me would not be threatening you like that, just my opinion.

Hope things get better for you
Kim

 

[Dasdream]

First time I heard of "CSDA" I've heard of KISDA, in anycase I'm not sure I understand your question, so I will leave before I make myself look foolish

 

[ttreg]

Creation Seventh Day adventist....what is that i think ive heard it somewhere wait isnt it the split from the SDARM church?

 

[Sunrunner]

Not from the SDARM, but from the SDA.

www.csda.us

 

[Dasdream]

I was reading that link and is it just me or did they insult SDA's? Actually I just skimmed through it

 

[nahMish]

. The man who I was studying with explained to me that if I was too weak now to do this then I would be too weak to survive the Last Day events

whats with that? i dont really undertand what you were/ werent doing:
but this isnt necessarily true: the ONLY way that we will survive last day events is through the grace and perseverance that we get through JESUS only..we NEED that connection..we are either full for him / or fully against him...being a christian is not something that you should FEAR. but we should FEAR the last days if we are not connected with Jesus- that is the only way that we will not fall in the last days-500% certainty with that. we cannot go through it on our own will.
ask God to take your fear. give him EVERYTHING that you are...admit to him that you are nothihg without him (we all are !). thank him for being your friend, ask him to come into your life. fear should not be the motivator, it should come from a conviction of your sin and how far you are away from God...we all need to be brought to the cross.... it sounds like satan is trying to tell you that the church is fallen, theres no good people left..etc..
DONT look to people to find Jesus ! LOOK TO JESUS !!!! Dont take this one experience and believe that it is all a farce !! cos it isnt..that is EXACTLY what satan is telling you...

 

[woobadooba]

I just had a spiritual breakdown...

Earlier this year I discovered the Creation Seventh-day Adventists. I began studying with them over MSN. Their doctrines seemed faultless and it seemed like the purest Adventism you could find. They believe that the Church united with the State through the Trademark Issues(Deut. 24 principle) and that there is just one more calling out before Judgment Day. I believed this, and I tried to leave my church.

That had horrible repercussions. It was a nasty ordeal and eventually I caved under pressure into staying. After that, I was scared and confused, so I cut off contact with the CSDAs.

Then tonight, I decided to try and open up contact again (out of curiousity). The man who I was studying with explained to me that if I was too weak now to do this then I would be too weak to survive the Last Day events. I couldn't answer him, because I had no excuse or response.

So I block him once again. And now I am having a spiritual breakdown. I am confused again, and scared.

I want to believe that the Church isn't fallen, but I am unsure. I need guidance and advice..

Just look to Jesus...

Study Him.

Allow His thoughts to be yours.

Walk even as He walked.

Abide in Him and live!

He is The Way, The Truth, and The Life...

Let those who have chosen to live in the past remain where they are.

Move onward to godliness, and let the dead bury their dead...

 

[Telaquapacky]

I just had a spiritual breakdown...

Earlier this year I discovered the Creation Seventh-day Adventists. I began studying with them over MSN. Their doctrines seemed faultless and it seemed like the purest Adventism you could find. They believe that the Church united with the State through the Trademark Issues(Deut. 24 principle) and that there is just one more calling out before Judgment Day. I believed this, and I tried to leave my church.

That had horrible repercussions. It was a nasty ordeal and eventually I caved under pressure into staying. After that, I was scared and confused, so I cut off contact with the CSDAs.

Then tonight, I decided to try and open up contact again (out of curiousity). The man who I was studying with explained to me that if I was too weak now to do this then I would be too weak to survive the Last Day events. I couldn't answer him, because I had no excuse or response.

So I block him once again. And now I am having a spiritual breakdown. I am confused again, and scared.

I want to believe that the Church isn't fallen, but I am unsure. I need guidance and advice..

Brother Sunrunner, keep the faith and don't let 'em turn you around!

You gotta ask yourself- when a group calls themselves "Seventh-day Adventists," and yet their agenda is to make you quit the Seventh-day Adventist Church, they are liars, and liars speak the language of Satan.

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Merely having a trademark doesn't make the church united with the state. That's ridiculous. Maybe you have a Social Security number. Does that mean you have given up your freedom of conscience? What about a driver's license? A fishing license? It sounds to me like these "CSDA's" are grousing only because the real church has some proper, legal protection against charlatans and frauds like them destroying the work God gave us to do.

Sunrunner, Satan tries every way he can to derail the Seventh-day Adventist Church, because he hates it intensely. He has raised up all kinds of splinter groups to confuse and mislead people. Politely ignore anyone who tries to seduce you away from the church, or who tries to make you pay them tithe, and not the General Conference.

Be very suspicious of people who say that the G.C. is infiltrated by Jesuits, or make other weird charges. Our church leaders are by no means perfect or infallible- and don't look for them to be, for they are only jars of clay.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.

It's up to you as an individual SDA, with the help of the Holy Spirit, to have the purest Adventism you can find (which is to be like Christ), and to fellowship with your brothers and sisters in church and model that truth to them. Unless your own congregation is full of apostates, which is very unlikely, any teaching that tries to lure you away from fellowship with the main body of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is not following Christ, no matter how right they sound. Exclusivist, intolerant splinter groups need their deceiving teachings to be politely ignored and they themselves gently loved back into the truth. Nobody said that would be easy, but if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Don't be part of the problem.

Matthew 12:30
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

 

[OntheDL]

I just had a spiritual breakdown...

Earlier this year I discovered the Creation Seventh-day Adventists. I began studying with them over MSN. Their doctrines seemed faultless and it seemed like the purest Adventism you could find. They believe that the Church united with the State through the Trademark Issues(Deut. 24 principle) and that there is just one more calling out before Judgment Day. I believed this, and I tried to leave my church.

That had horrible repercussions. It was a nasty ordeal and eventually I caved under pressure into staying. After that, I was scared and confused, so I cut off contact with the CSDAs.

Then tonight, I decided to try and open up contact again (out of curiousity). The man who I was studying with explained to me that if I was too weak now to do this then I would be too weak to survive the Last Day events. I couldn't answer him, because I had no excuse or response.

So I block him once again. And now I am having a spiritual breakdown. I am confused again, and scared.

I want to believe that the Church isn't fallen, but I am unsure. I need guidance and advice..

Christ never pressures us into do something. That is the spirit of Satan. Christ always leads so we naturally desire to follow Him.

 

[Sunrunner]

Thank you for the words of wisdom.

 

[woobadooba]

Christ never pressures us into do something. That is the spirit of Satan. Christ always leads so we naturally desire to follow Him.

This is actually a very good thought...

 

[OntheDL]

Be very suspicious of people who say that the G.C. is infiltrated by Jesuits, or make other weird charges. Our church leaders are by no means perfect or infallible- and don't look for them to be, for they are only jars of clay.

'Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from earthly ties and human interests, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. (See Appendix.) The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy.' GC p235

'But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times. The Roman Church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operation. She is employing every device to extend her influence and increase her power in preparation for a fierce and determined conflict to regain control of the world, to re-establish persecution, and to undo all that Protestantism has done. Catholicism is gaining ground upon every side.' GC p566

To reach her goal of ecumenism and one world religion, the jesuits have infiltrated every protestant church. At the top of every struture, SDA included is a catholic organization.

I have videos that I'll convert into computer format and post in the thread 'attack on our foundation: the enemy with' in the traditional forum. So hopefully we will see what really has been going on behind the scenes.

Now I don't leave the SDA church to form my own group and join these off-shoot's. Because I know it's not the bricks nor the cinder blocks that will go to heaven. It's the individual true believers that are made up the true church.

 

[Telaquapacky]

'Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from earthly ties and human interests, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. (See Appendix.) The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy.' GC p235

'But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times. The Roman Church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operation. She is employing every device to extend her influence and increase her power in preparation for a fierce and determined conflict to regain control of the world, to re-establish persecution, and to undo all that Protestantism has done. Catholicism is gaining ground upon every side.' GC p566

To reach her goal of ecumenism and one world religion, the jesuits have infiltrated every protestant church. At the top of every struture, SDA included is a catholic organization.

I have videos that I'll convert into computer format and post in the thread 'attack on our foundation: the enemy with' in the traditional forum. So hopefully we will see what really has been going on behind the scenes.

Now I don't leave the SDA church to form my own group and join these off-shoot's. Because I know it's not the bricks nor the cinder blocks that will go to heaven. It's the individual true believers that are made up the true church.

Brother OntheDL:
I was not saying that there are no Jesuit spies in the G.C. I know about the Jesuits and their MO, and I have spoken with Jesuits, and know what good verbal chess players they are. I didn't mean to sound like an ostrich with my head in the sand. David Crosby once observed that "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

But some people attribute everything they don't like in the SDA Church to Jesuit tinkering, and suspect every high-ranking pastor whose theology is frayed at the edges (or rotten at the core), to be a Jesuit. All this weakens confidence in the organization that I think is unwarranted and gives more power to the spin-off mentality.

I wouldn't give Satan credit as if he has the power to grab the helm from Jesus and run our ship into the rocks. I think that the greatest threat to our church is within ourselves, that we might lose the love for one another by which others will know that we are His disciples. All I am saying is that I believe that the Jesuit panic is really only the tip of the iceberg of the problems we face as a remnant.

But I am definitely interested in your videos and can't wait to view them with an open mind.

 

[Sophia7]

Christ never pressures us into do something. That is the spirit of Satan. Christ always leads so we naturally desire to follow Him.