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My translation says:
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh performs nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are enspirited, and they are alive."
When we have the words of Jesus in us we are born again.
When we have the words of the Holy Spirit in us we are Spirit filled
A person that is a Born Again Christian has the Holy Spirit dwelling inside them.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
KJV
1 Cor 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you ?
KJV
The Disciples were born again here.
John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
KJV
They did, The Holy Spirit was in them.
Then Jesus told them:
Acts 1:4
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
KJV
Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
They were born again before the Day of Pentecost. On the Day of Pentecost they were baptized in the Holy Spirit and He came UPON them, He was already IN them.
The purpose of the Holy Spirit coming UPON them was for witnessing.
8c and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
The Holy Spirit stays IN us. He does not stay UPON us except while we are "witnessing".
"Witnessing" can be a multitude of things. From telling someone about Jesus at work to Preaching. From just living a godly lifestyle, which is a very powerful witness to laying hands on the sick.
Everyone claims to be Born Again. Everyone claims to have the Spirit inside of them. Few meet the criteria for it.
Romans 8:9 if the spirit of God indwells you, you are no longer in the flesh. There isn't a biblical instance of both inyou at the same time.
are you free of the flesh yet?
btw flesh isn't body, it's not related to body either. Not in that context.
Flesh is here contrasted with spirit. It does not refer to the physical body, but to the soulish, selfish, aspect of man.
Earlier Paul says, those who live according to the flesh set their minds on things of the flesh but those who live according to the spirit set their minds on things of the spirit.
This essentially defines what it is to be in the spirit or in the flesh. It is defined both by what you live "according to" and what you set your mind on.
The conotation here is not merely what you think about, but more so what you desire and seek after. If your desires and aspirations are focused on the things of the flesh, which are the things of our selfish, soulish self, and if we live according to those things... or in other words, if those things are the guiding principles that guide the choices we make, and the deeds we do, then we are in the flesh.
If on the other hand, your focus, you desires, your apsirations are set on the things of the spirit.. which are the love and knowledge of God, and those things are the guiding principle of your life.. you are in the spirit.
Paul seems to use the phrase "walking in spirit" and "in spirit" synonymously, indicating that the idea is really about what guides and determines the course of your life.. you decisions, your deeds, etc.
I accept every word you said. Well explained. I think the NIV won this one.l with sinful nature...
Now, according to Paul, ifs an either or lifestyle, not a bouncing one.
Gal 5:16 walk by the spirit can't give into temptation. To stok walkkmg would be said temptation, but you wont give kino temptation, so yiu cant walk away then.
Rom 8:9 says yiu are either ome or the other.
Before the sspirit indwells you, yij are with a sin nature, and the spirit battles from the oitside to get in. Bit when it indwells yoi the flesh os gone, removed as aa circumcision ddone by christ. Col 2:11
I'm not sure the extent to which you mean 'bouncing' and 'either or'. However, my belief based on scripture is that God gives those who call upon him the graces necessary to live in the spirit and those graces never fully depart in this life. As Paul says the gifts of God are without repentence.
Thus I don't believe that a person ever loses the grace of spiritual regeneration, or being born again, which ever term you prefer. However, whether that grace is effective in you is another question.. does it bear fruit?
When we face final judgement the question is not simply, did you receive God's grace? the question is "did God's grace bear fruit in you?"
Now, I believe that people can make bad decisions, people can fail etc, and yet continue on the path of righteousness.
Proverbs talks about the righteous man falling seven times and getting up to continue on. I'm also reminded of Saul and David since there was recently a thread about them...
Saul and David both committed sins, in some ways David's were worse than Saul's... yet David was accepted while Saul was rejected. David was called a man after God's heart, while Saul was told that he was not a man after God's heart. The difference was not that one sinned and the other didn't. They both sinned, they both made bad decisions. They both gave in to selfish desires.
The difference was that even when David gave in to self (the flesh) and sinned... he genuinely still loved righteousness and hated sin. Even when he gave in to the desires of the flesh, his heart was still to follow after God and he truly regretted and hated his own sins.
The same was not true of Saul.
So... if by "either or" that in order to truly walk by spirit you can never fail, or give in to the flesh, or sin.. then I would disagree.
If you mean that you can't be double minded and, even when you fall short, you must always keep your heart set on God, and loving what God loves, and hating what God hates... then I would agree.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
When we have the Words of Christ Jesus in us, are we Spirit filled?
A person that is a Born Again Christian has the Holy Spirit dwelling inside them.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
KJV
1 Cor 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you ?
KJV
The Disciples were born again here.
John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
KJV
They did, The Holy Spirit was in them.
Then Jesus told them:
Acts 1:4
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
KJV
Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
They were born again before the Day of Pentecost. On the Day of Pentecost they were baptized in the Holy Spirit and He came UPON them, He was already IN them.
The purpose of the Holy Spirit coming UPON them was for witnessing.
8c and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
The Holy Spirit stays IN us. He does not stay UPON us except while we are "witnessing".
"Witnessing" can be a multitude of things. From telling someone about Jesus at work to Preaching. From just living a godly lifestyle, which is a very powerful witness to laying hands on the sick.
" Peace, be still !!! " -Mark 4:39
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit gives us the power and authority to calm the storms we face.
JESUS
Flesh is here contrasted with spirit. It does not refer to the physical body, but to the soulish, selfish, aspect of man.
Agreed, Sarx couldn't mean body, or col 2:11 and romans 8:9 would have living skeletons in the church since the SARX/Flesh is removed from living people.
Earlier Paul says, those who live according to the flesh set their minds on things of the flesh but those who live according to the spirit set their minds on things of the spirit.
Absolutely. It's either one or the other that you obey. Not struggle with both inside of you. You only serve one master, right? So mankind is either of those flesh mastered, or spirit mastered, and 8:9 says if Spirit indwelled no longer in the flesh.
This essentially defines what it is to be in the spirit or in the flesh.
I agree again. If I'm still in the flesh, I KNOW I'm not indwelled by the Spirit.
It is defined both by what you live "according to" and what you set your mind on.
Not what you set your mind on. Paul is saying whichever one is your life, IT sets your mind. It's a control thing. Read NIV romans 8:1-9 for perspective, they did a good job here.
The conotation here is not merely what you think about, but more so what you desire and seek after.
Yes as Gal 5:16 says, if you walk by the Spirit/ LIVE by the Spirit you won't give into temptation. How do you sin if you never give in to temptation? Furthermore if you were there once, living by the Spirit, it would be a temptation to leave, which it says you won't be able to do.
If your desires and aspirations are focused on the things of the flesh, which are the things of our selfish, soulish self, and if we live according to those things... or in other words, if those things are the guiding principles that guide the choices we make, and the deeds we do, then we are in the flesh.
Yes, and if you are in the flesh, the spirit doesn't yet indwell you. It's a matter of maturity. In romans 6:22 you would have the freedom part, the slavery part, but not yet the benefit and sanctification.
If on the other hand, your focus, you desires, your apsirations are set on the things of the spirit.. which are the love and knowledge of God, and those things are the guiding principle of your life.. you are in the spirit.
And then you will no longer be in the flesh.
Paul seems to use the phrase "walking in spirit" and "in spirit" synonymously, indicating that the idea is really about what guides and determines the course of your life.. you decisions, your deeds, etc.
I'm not sure the extent to which you mean 'bouncing' and 'either or'. However, my belief based on scripture is that God gives those who call upon him the graces necessary to live in the spirit and those graces never fully depart in this life. As Paul says the gifts of God are without repentence.
Thus I don't believe that a person ever loses the grace of spiritual regeneration, or being born again, which ever term you prefer. However, whether that grace is effective in you is another question.. does it bear fruit?
When we face final judgement the question is not simply, did you receive God's grace? the question is "did God's grace bear fruit in you?"
Now, I believe that people can make bad decisions, people can fail etc, and yet continue on the path of righteousness.
Proverbs talks about the righteous man falling seven times and getting up to continue on. I'm also reminded of Saul and David since there was recently a thread about them...
Saul and David both committed sins, in some ways David's were worse than Saul's... yet David was accepted while Saul was rejected. David was called a man after God's heart, while Saul was told that he was not a man after God's heart. The difference was not that one sinned and the other didn't. They both sinned, they both made bad decisions. They both gave in to selfish desires.
The difference was that even when David gave in to self (the flesh) and sinned... he genuinely still loved righteousness and hated sin. Even when he gave in to the desires of the flesh, his heart was still to follow after God and he truly regretted and hated his own sins.
The same was not true of Saul.
So... if by "either or" that in order to truly walk by spirit you can never fail, or give in to the flesh, or sin.. then I would disagree.
Except, that is exactly what the Bible says. Which verse do you disagree with? Gal 5:16, rom 8:9, col 2:11...
If you mean that you can't be double minded and, even when you fall short, you must always keep your heart set on God, and loving what God loves, and hating what God hates... then I would agree.
Jhn 6:63"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
When we have the Words of Christ Jesus in us, are we Spirit filled?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
When we have the Words of Christ Jesus in us, are we Spirit filled?
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