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Thank you for your reply, Ken. We had no idea that when we posted the 'Speaking In Tongues' video on Christian Forum that it did not play in its entirety. I now understand why all the confusion. I believe my husband has now remedied that problem by reloading the video on the forum.Diane, if I read you right, the audio I respond is not valid tongues (12:47) is not you at all, but the "woman babbling". The video is no longer here to check this, but I found it on youtube, thanks to your link. The one posted here, started at 11 minutes in. So the first thing I heard was the call-in woman, which you say is not you. A few minutes later, I heard a tape, at 17:38, which I now know from the earlier part of the tape, was you, and I stated I believed this to be authentic tongues.
We also appear to agree on theology. I have private recordings of group prayer in tongues that I have shared on Christian chat sites, to demonstrate the difference. I loved what you stated in the letter. It was right on the money for how it should be used. They were also recorded in the middle of prayer, and were never intended to be shared. I posted them only to encourage people who wished to receive the gift of tongues that the arguments against them from the cessationists are not valid.
I think it is really neat the way God brought this out in the order He did. I think you got your interesting conversation, and it's great to cap it off with the testimony you published today.
I looked at the five videos in the youtube channel. It's really neat to see your passion for building the Kingdom. But as far as putting a face to the name, only the one on the prosperity gospel gives a face, is that you? My wife and I (and my first wife who went home in 2012) have a lot of videos, writings, etc. at my website.
Thank you, Ken.Diane, aha!, there is a tiny arrow after #5. That gives me the rest of them. Yes, you are definitely broadening into a video production ministry. It is not only that video that has some very inspirational pictures. I noticed some nice ones on Who Lord, also. Ken
Wow! What a great testimony. Thank you for the complete story. God bless you and your husband for your obedience.Good morning Ken and AlexDTX.
I hope that you both, and anyone else who may join the conversation, will have the patience to read this testimony and clarification. I do believe you will truly be inspired.
I have been away from this forum for the better part of a week, so I've not been up to speed as to what's been said. In the posting of my video, it was my desire to stimulate interesting conversation. I'm not sure that I have been particularly offended, but I do appreciate you, Alex, for coming to my defense, and I thank you, Ken, for your apology.
Ken, it seems possible that you did not listen to the video from start to finish. In John Oakley's preamble to the show, he reads a portion of a letter - my letter written to him accompanied with an audio tape of me speaking in tongues. In the letter I sent to him, I clearly identify myself as a pastor of a Pentecostal church. So, yes, to remove all doubt, I am a born-again, bible-believing, spirit-filled Christian, who has been a servant of the gospel of Jesus Christ for 35 years.
Allow me to give some context to the letter and tape sent to Mr. Oakley. As a pastor, Monday was typically my day off. I was at home sorting laundry and decided to turn the radio on. At that precise moment, John Oakley and a caller were having a rather lively dispute over the credibility of speaking in tongues. I, of course, listened with great interest. It was the way in which John Oakley ended the discussion with the caller that prompted me to be a witness, or perhaps an apologist for the veracity and power of God, the Holy Spirit.
I do not carelessly 'throw around' utterances in the spirit. But in this case, there seemed to be a great purpose for doing so. I felt very compelled. My husband and I went to our church, where we privately recorded me praying in the spirit. I then wrote the letter and mailed it off to Mr. Oakley, along with the tape. I felt that I had done what I was supposed to do and gave no further thought to it.
A whole month went by when, again, on a Monday I was at home and turned the radio on as I was puttering around the house. To my utter amazement, John Oakley was just beginning his show and giving his preamble as to what would be on his program over the next few hours. Shockingly, the first topic up for discussion was a letter and tape recording that he had received from a Pentecostal pastor. I could not believe my ears... mostly because I had stated in the letter that the content enclosed was not for public consumption. This was extraordinary and totally unanticipated. I quickly ran to get my recorder in order to tape the segment, thus the audio tape that I have shared with ChristianForum. I phoned my husband and a few other people, so they could tune in and listen in on the program.
As if this weren't enough, it seemed like the real reason behind the prompting to send the letter and audio was yet to reveal itself. Two weeks after the airing of my audio tape on CFRB, I received a phone call at my church office from a gentleman who said he needed very much to speak with someone from the church. He was not a Christian nor a churchgoer but said that something had happened recently and he was re-thinking 'God' and needed some questions answered. I asked him his name and where he lived and said that both my husband and I would be happy to meet with him and be of whatever help we could. It turns out that his address was just 10 minutes from our church. The day arrived for us to go to his home, we knocked on his door, he opened it and very warmly invited us in. We sat in his kitchen and he seemed a little rattled, nervous, but very excited. He proceeded to tell us how one day, a few weeks earlier, he was driving in his car and listening to the radio. He said, "I heard the most amazing thing and I can't get it out of my mind." He said, "I was listening to the John Oakley show and I heard a woman speaking in another language, an unknown language. I knew it was something from God. I need to know about this. Can you tell me anything about praying in tongues?"
You could have knocked me off my chair with a feather! I said to him, "I am that woman. It was I you heard, and yes, I can tell you about the Holy Spirit." We sat in this man's kitchen for 2 hours, answering his questions. It was stunning! It was supernatural! God had orchestrated a divine appointment through the simpleness of obedience; the obedience to write a letter and to send a sample of the truth along with that letter.
If it touched this one man in such a profound way, how many others did God reach that day??
I should give clarification. In the audio, you hear another woman, who is a call-in... this of course, is not me - she is just babbling.
I hope this testimony brings context and clarification to the audio.
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diane.
I am going to watch the video.
Just perspective for my coming comment: I am not familiar with speaking in tongues other than seeing people say, "I SHOULDABOUGHTAHONDA" or some other unintelligible words in church.
It turned me off big time.
But, I have learned in study that one can speak in other languages that may sound ridiculous to those who aren't to receive the message, but is intelligible to the receiver (whether spirit or otherwise.) But, it doesn't have to be unintelligible.
For example, I can be in a crowd of 20 in which half speak English, a fourth speak Cantonese, and a few others speak other languages. If, for example, there is tongue to be delivered to someone in, say, Te Reo (which I don't speak,) I may hear myself speaking to him/her in our common language, while everyone else hears "gibberish."
Tongues, like many gifts of God, can be twisted and polluted by the enemy also.
(My next post will succinctly answer the OP.)
Through the viewing of this video, I hope to promote interesting dialogue. The video is 27 minutes long and is the audio recording of a lively discussion on one of Canada's leading secular radio stations, CFRB 1010 (currently newstalk1010). I am the initial voice you hear in the audio of one who speaks 'in tongues'. I would like to hear your views and what you think.
(Note: Our apologies. When initially posted, we did not realize that the video does not play in its entirety if embedded in the post. If you wish to view the video, click on "Speaking In Tongues" here. )
diane.
The OP asked what I think. I told them. I also explained why I think that, comparing to a musical performance. There is a field called sentics, which is hard science, and enables anyone, even a computer program, to analyze a recording of any sound made by a human lasting longer than a couple seconds, vocal or not, and determine to within a fair degree of certainty the underlying emotion being experienced at the time of producing the sound. There is no emotion revealed in the first example, but emotions such as are commonly experienced in prophecy and intercessory prayer in the second.
Many scientists are doing work analyzing some aspects of tongues. Not all scientists deny the spirit. SPEAKING IN TONGUES: Glossia and Xenoglossia. scientific studies
Many ministries are under attack by other ministries for their praying in tongues online, some who allegedly do it as "attention grabbers". I'll put a couple links; I have seen dozens). If such a statement is tantamount to saying someone is not a Christian, then the Body of Christ has a problem. You are welcome to report my post, and let the admins judge. But I think it is clear that a person need not have tongues to be a Christian, and I think anyone can babble, Christian or not. For all I know, the woman in fact has the real gift of tongues, and was using false tongues on purpose as a prank for the call in the show.
By the way, the woman never claims to be a Christian. And the rule here is against saying that another member is not a Christian if he/she claims to be by how he identifies in his bio.
http://www.libertyadvocate.com/Swaggart's False Tongues.htm
The False Gift of Tongues | 1 Cor 12, 14 | RayStedman.org
So you would tell Christian musicians not to do technical exercises, since it might interfere with them playing in the spirit? Or you would tell the sound technicians not to study the room acoustics? Intellect must work in the service of the spirit.This type of analysis can't prove anything because it remains in the soulish intellect, while any gift of the Spirit is in the spirit which is accessed by faith and not by reason of any kind. Any scientific analysis would be just pure nonsense.
Greetings, Oscarr.Someone speaking in tongues over secular radio is speaking nonsense and has no significance to God or anyone else. 1 Corinthians 14 proves that.
Among those who have studied the matter, there are two opinions. The first is that tongues were only for the early church, and that no one since about 300AD has spoken in tongues. I won't go into details here, but this position is based on incorrect historical procedure, and bad logic. This incorrect position is called cessation-ism, and there are threads about it here, and at every other Christian discussion site. (In fact I'm sure there will be an argument beginning here, since I have posted this.)Interesting that historically some of the most Godly, influential people never spoke in tongues. Luther, Calvin, the Puritans, Spurgeon, Wesley, Whitfield, Edwards, Lloyd Jones ....... if you look at some of the most famous leaders of the mega churches where they claim to speak in tongues, their messages and lives are not in line with the word of God, many have made allot of money doing so and still do!. I would be interested to see historically if anyone can source any Godly men who have spoken in tougues before 1900 and if the message was of God?
1. I'll be brief. The argument is that tongues ceased about 300 AD (true). The conclusion is that God wanted them to stop. (questionable, they could have been suppressed, for example). The application is that since God did want them then, He does not want them now. (Even assuming He did not want them then, the application does not follow. Recall that for many hundreds of years, it was taught that lay people have no right to read the Bible in their own language. Clearly God has restored that right today.) Next, it is asserted that since God does not want them today, tongues do not exist unless they are some kind of counterfeit. You can see that there is no historical research as to why tongues stopped, and illogical reasoning.1. Not sure why you could call cessationism an incorrrect position.
2. Why do you think tougues were suppressed?
Looking at the sufferings of Christians throughout history do you think men like Whitfield and Wesley were afraid to admit it? These men had little fear of what others thought I doubt they were afraid. Look at the great lengths they went to live more holy. I think if they could speak in tougues they would have.
3. This 500 year project, can you prove this? I assume you have not scripture for this? Again this maybe opening another debate best left for another forum.
4. I guess my question is what benefit does one have speaking in tougues today? How does this compare to prayer, bible reading and preaching, fellowship, worship, witness?
5. Would it not be better to seek the above which we know produces fruit?
Where is the fruit today from speaking in tougues, I would be interested to hear views?
I note many people can have emotional experiences when speaking in tougues, but I would like to see how speaking in tougues makes one more Christ like?
Apologies if it comes across a little negative but I know many people who claim to speak in tougues and what worries me is very few of them have a testimony!
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