Speaking in tongues.

[GuardianShua]

Mods, please close this thread because it is a violation of the rules. Acts 2:5. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8. Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9. Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10. Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11. (both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12. Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?" /// The miracle was not in the speaking, but in the hearing; as stated in this scripture.

 

[Svt4Him]

Wow, that's a fairly non sequitur argument if I've ever seen it. Let me highlight some different words:

Acts 2:5. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8. Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9. Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10. Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11. (both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12. Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"

So then the miracle is that everyone was amazed or bewildered and wondered a lot.

 

[GuardianShua]

Wow, that's a fairly non sequitur argument if I've ever seen it. Let me highlight some different words:

Acts 2:5. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8. Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9. Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10. Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11. (both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12. Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"

So then the miracle is that everyone was amazed or bewildered and wondered a lot.

If they were speaking in their own native tongue, but other people heared them in their own language, then the miracle was in the hearing.

 

[sandman]

Acts 2:5. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8. Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9. Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10. Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11. (both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12. Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?" /// The miracle was not in the speaking, but in the hearing; as stated in this scripture.

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And the phenomenon was the tongues of fire

 

[heavensprings]

If they were speaking in their on native tongue, but other people heared in in their own language, then the miracle was in the hearing.

I have always thought it was the Galileans speaking in the tongues of all those Jews from other places. I've never thought of it as the Galileans speaking in the local dialect but the visitor's heard them in their own tongues. Hmmm..


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[christianmomof3]

I have always thought it was the Galileans speaking in the tongues of all those Jews from other places. I've never thought of it as the Galileans speaking in the local dialect but the visitor's heard them in their own tongues. Hmmm..


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it seems to be faster now at this moment.
i also don't understand where the idea of speaking in "tongues" as something spoken and not intelligible is from or what it's purpose would be.
I kind of would like to see it done sometime but the only videos I have seen of it online look really creepy and demonic to me.

 

[Svt4Him]

If they were speaking in their on native tongue, but other people heared in in their own language, then the miracle was in the hearing.

Can you direct me to the part where it says they were speaking in their native tongue? If not, then the miracle was in both the speaking and the hearing.

 

[zeke37]

the hearing was in their native tongue.....the Holy Spirit was the One speaking....the gift of the Cloven Tongue of God....a type for the end times elect witnesses and that which was spoken of by Joel the prophet...God speaking....ALL understood...perfectly...they might not have believed...some of them, but all heard it in their own native tongue...

Acts2
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.


2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

 

[zeke37]

it seems to be faster now at this moment.
i also don't understand where the idea of speaking in "tongues" as something spoken and not intelligible is from or what it's purpose would be.
I kind of would like to see it done sometime but the only videos I have seen of it online look really creepy and demonic to me.

that's about the truth of it...creepy and demonic.....or just keeping up with the Jones'

when God speaks, all understand...

in His service
c

 

[GuardianShua]

Can you direct me to the part where it says they were speaking in their native tongue? If not, then the miracle was in both the speaking and the hearing.

7. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans?

 

[MoNiCa4316]

On Pentecost, they spoke in different languages...but from reading the Bible, it does seem like there is also a gift of "speaking in tongues" as the Charismatics define it. Paul said that whoever speaks in tongues speaks mysteries to God...and he said that some have the gift of interpretation.
People understand these passages in different ways.

By the way, even though sometimes it seems "creepy and demonic", it is not like that for everyone...those cases just get the most attention, that's all. Most likely some people are under demonic influence or are just making it up, etc, but I think that "speaking in tongues" is a gift of the Spirit that is available today.

 

[GuardianShua]

On Pentecost, they spoke in different languages...but from reading the Bible, it does seem like there is also a gift of "speaking in tongues" as the Charismatics define it. Paul said that whoever speaks in tongues speaks mysteries to God...and he said that some have the gift of interpretation.
People understand these passages in different ways.

By the way, even though sometimes it seems "creepy and demonic", it is not like that for everyone...those cases just get the most attention, that's all. Most likely some people are under demonic influence or are just making it up, etc, but I think that "speaking in tongues" is a gift of the Spirit that is available today.

Paul was known to speak different languages before that day. I thought I would through that in, in case no one knew that. I don't speak in tongues, but I know people who do. I would agree that speaking in different languages, is a gift.

 

[jdale72]

Mark 16:17 Jesus says that speaking in tongues is a sign of those who believe in Him.

 

[GuardianShua]

Mark 16:17 Jesus says that speaking in tongues is a sign of those who believe in Him.

My study bible says that what is written after Mark 16:8 came at a later date. And that the oldest books of Mark don't go beyond verse #8.My bible says that it's those who keep the commandments.

 

[Svt4Him]

7. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans?

This is true, but you have to believe the Bible for what it says. It say they were speaking other languages and this shows people were amazed as they were not speaking their native language. This was already shown.

Now is it always a language known to men? Well, no, and the Bible is also clear on that. It can be the language of man, God or angels, and when speaking in tongues for personal edification, no one knows what they're speaking about.

1 Corinthians 14:2 : For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

 

[BustedFlat]

My study bible says that what is written after Mark 16:8 came at a later date. And that the oldest books of Mark don't go beyond verse #8.My bible says that it's those who keep the commandments.

From Khouse.org:
Among the disputed passages are the final verses of the Gospel of Mark (16:9-20). (Look in your own Bible: you are likely to find an annotation that these were "added later.")
The insistence that Mark's Gospel ends at 16:8 leaves the women afraid and fails to record the resurrection, Christ's final instructions, and the Ascension. It is understandable why these verses are an embarrassment to the Gnostics, and why Westcott and Hort would advocate their exclusion, and insist that they were "added later."
However, it seems that Irenaeus in 150 A.D., and also Hypolytus in the 2nd century, each quote from these disputed verses, so the documentary evidence is that they were deleted later in the Alexandrian texts, not added subsequently.)
But there is even more astonishing evidence for their original inclusion that is also profoundly instructive for broader reasons.

 

[amadeus2]

Acts 2:5. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8. Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9. Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10. Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11. (both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12. Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?" /// The miracle was not in the speaking, but in the hearing; as stated in this scripture.

According to Merriam-Webster's Online dictionary:

miracle = an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs.

Did not God intervene in the human affaris of the speaker as well as of the hearers?

 

[amadeus2]

i also don't understand where the idea of speaking in "tongues" as something spoken and not intelligible is from or what it's purpose would be.
I kind of would like to see it done sometime but the only videos I have seen of it online look really creepy and demonic to me.

Jesus explains why some things can be understood by some people but not by others:

"He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear." Matt 13:11-16

If God is speaking and we do not understand what He is saying, we should pray for "ears to hear".

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matt 7:7

 

[amadeus2]

that's about the truth of it...creepy and demonic.....or just keeping up with the Jones'

when God speaks, all understand...

in His service
c

No, all do not understand. God was always speaking when Jesus spoke, but there were many who did not understand His parables. Only those that are of God hear His words:

"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." John 8:46-47

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

. . . The miracle was not in the speaking, but in the hearing; . .. .

There is nothing miraculous in bi-lingual people recognising one of the languages they speak.

What we have here is someone mentally & spiritually blinded.