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Not all apostles took their families to their apostolic missions. Some travelled alone. The very fact she was there at Pentecost makes her as much an Apostle like anyone else... who recieved the Holy Spirit or you believe it was denied to her...
 
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If you are such an expert in the Greek language then show me where the word "brother" is NOT used to mean cousin or brethren ....It is used interchangably in the Bible so there goes your theory. My guess is and a pretty good one that there was no need to specify because everyone knew Christ had no brother or sisters.... thus no one whould mistake it as such. I cannot imagine if the evangelist though it was so important to mention his "sisters" and "bothers" he would not have put it in a more "emphasis" so that we reading would be clear that he was referring to his "immediate" relatives.....Especially when after that verse he goes on to say that "everyone is his brother and sister"..... that is that we can all of us be His "spiritual relatives" ....as his cousins were.

I insist that the fact these siblings were not present at the cross scene fortifies the case that they were not siblings but cousins or step-children. Either way Christ entrusted his mother's care to John... thus negating the fact that there were no any other siblings involved.
 
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why wasnt it so simple to any Christians for like 1700 years? How come its so obvious to you and not anyone in all of Church history?
This dogma didn't surface until much later. For we do not read in scripture where the Apostles ever mentioned Mary but once in Acts. Where she was among believers praying. So if this was truth why was it not recorded by the Apostles for all to see and be binding?
 
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One must realize we as Protestant people do not follow after the teaching of men but of the teaching of scripture which has very little to say about Mary after the Gospels. In fact she is not even mentioned after the book of Acts.
 
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Apostles did not have a clibant life.. Tee hee.. Peter was Married and in fact Jesus healed His mother in law. Paul we know was single in His journey.
 
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hello, bbbbbbb


1. yes, Greek is precise, and where multiple meanings are present in one term, the precision is rendered by limitation; Plato, for example, limits the definition of adelphos by description. The Gospel writers do not limit the term adelphos, rendering its use in the passages in question to the broadest (or summarized) meaning. As I have pointed out, at least one of the adelphos mentioned is most likely not a child of Joseph. Absent evidence of the remarriage of Mary (upon the death of Joseph), this points to the broad or "summary" meaning of adelphos.

2. the tense used by Mary in response to Gabriel is continuous. Where this tense is used to point to a temporary situation (as in the passages LLoJ quoted from Corinthians), the author limits the continuous sense of the verb by a further descriptive. No such limitation is provided by Mary; hence, the term adelphos cannot be understood as children of Mary unless:
a. the Bible is in error -or-
b. Mary lied
 
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I think we should bump this as sometimes people here do not seem to have it "register"... and I know for sure you have put out this post before but people "conveniently" ingore to answer or when they answer they just say.....well... it is not true....This is no proof for disputing it... Where is the evidence of what you claim?
 
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Why would she be mentioned in the epistles?....
Why indeed. Why do people assume that she is anything other than a normal woman with normal life style? If indeed Mary were to be held as some hold her such as PV Queen and so forth why in all the epistles is this not spoken of? For we do not see recorded by the Apostles any of such.
 
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Not all apostles took their families to their apostolic missions. Some travelled alone. The very fact she was there at Pentecost makes her as much an Apostle like anyone else... who recieved the Holy Spirit or you believe it was denied to her...
So now you are saying here that only the Apostles have the Holy Spirit?
 
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One must realize we as Protestant people do not follow after the teaching of men but of the teaching of scripture which has very little to say about Mary after the Gospels. In fact she is not even mentioned after the book of Acts.

The scripture in Luke teaches that Mary did not, does not, and will not "know a man"; to say otherwise is not a teaching of scripture, but a teaching of men.
 
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So now you are saying here that only the Apostles have the Holy Spirit?

You read into things and twist things.. I say. No, it just that is the time when the Holy Spirit was sent to the Apostles. The Holy Spirit is forever present in its Chruch from then on....The Apostles were the ones sent out to evangelize and they were given many gifts among them was the knowledge of many languages....
 
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You are missing the point again... It has nothing to do with Mary being "simple woman" rather with her calling. She was "set apart" or not? She accepted a calling from God and thus it would be less than impious to be "just another woman"....She was a special woman with a special calling from God. That ought to tell ya something. The reason she is not mentioned in the Epistles? Do you know why the Apostles wrote the Epistles? What was the skopos (purpose) of writting them?
 
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That is okay instead of Mamaz dealing with your post....she is off a tangent...
 
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It teaches that Mary was not knowing a man. Read in context. For she was indeed at this time a virgin. Now why did God instruct Joseph to take Mary as his wife?
 
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So if Mary were a PV why Did God tell Joseph to take Mary as His wife?

Mary was given to a man to be legitemized of having Christ and thus Christ was a legitemate child. She had to be protected and so Joseph listened to the Angel and he took Mary to be his bettrothled spouse. The word wife is not there in the Greek as it says 'woman'.
 
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