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<blockquote data-quote="dad" data-source="post: 29262723" data-attributes="member: 98011"><p>Spirits can.</p><p> They fly, and are spirits, according to the bible. That does it.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>No, burning a temple loaded with the greatest treasure in the world takes time. The difference is some 53 hours or such. that is very very within reason. In fact it would nbe unbelievable for them to have destroyed the compound, without taking the unimaginable riches.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Considering the context, your take is impossible! Because look at all he did here. </p><p><strong><em>13</em></strong> He burned <em><strong>the house of the LORD</strong>, <strong>the king's house and <span style="font-size: 12px">all</span> the houses of Jerusalem</strong></em>; even <strong><em>every large house he burned with fire</em></strong>. <strong><em>14</em></strong> So all the army of the Chaldeans who were with the captain of the guard <strong><em>broke down all the walls around Jerusalem</em>.</strong> </p><p> </p><p>...carried away into exile some of the poorest of the people,</p><p> </p><p>..Now the bronze pillars which belonged to the house of the LORD and the stands and the bronze sea, which were in the house of the LORD, the Chaldeans broke in pieces and carried all their bronze to Babylon [<span style="color: blue">notice here they did a number on the temple, it was huge, and that takes time, as does getting to Babylon!]</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">....</span></p><p><strong><em>18</em></strong> They also took away the pots, the shovels, the snuffers, the basins, the pans and all the bronze vessels which were used in temple service. <strong><em>19</em></strong> <strong>The captain of the guard also took away the bowls, the firepans, the basins, the pots, the lampstands, the pans and the drink offering bowls, what was fine gold and what was fine silver.</strong> <strong><em>20</em></strong> The two pillars, the one sea, and the twelve bronze bulls that were under the sea, and the stands, which King Solomon had made for the house of the LORD--the bronze of all these vessels was beyond weight</p><p> </p><p>To do all that simply takes more than 5 minutes, sorry! This tells us the bible is real! Not just some story where they did all that in no time.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong>Lev 26:39</strong> - and others of you will waste away in sorrow as the result of your sins and the sins of your ancestors. The result of your sins, and theirs. No God sneaking in and clobbering kids, and meteing out extras at all. Cut the strange claims. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>No, someone told you wrong, no man or devil can pluck us out of His hand.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>If I could explain that, why get saved? You have to try it to know.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Untold millions did try it. It is known to them. That is pretty well known.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Well, who really cares that much anyhow about the relatioship of simplicity?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Nope. That is just a grouping some one was monkeying with. Some physical similarities of little value.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>As a creature, we all know, an ape is an ape. Some evos have a classification by the same name, they like to include man in. Whopee doo. I am not an ape.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>False we have the documentation of the bible. Example, Jesus after rising from the dead. He could pass through solid doors, and such. This means His mass was different. Simple.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No evolution that mentions a common single ancestor is scientific, in that it is imagination only. In any country. You can't take the created trait of evolving back to Granny, -just to the ark.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>In this case, it is evicence, whether or not it is fact in all cases. It is evidence somrthing is going on outside the box.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Assuming your mother isn't real highlights your errors, not mine!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Silly. You forget the evidence of reality again. Try to keep an eye on that, in all your mind excercises, will you? The simple and real actual fact of the matter is that we believed in spirit, and the spiritual, a long long long long long, long long long long time before science ever appeared on the scene. Your point is moot.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>I never was in that isolated place. I never doubted my parents, teachers, and friends were actually real. If I had of, I am not sure how far I would have gotten in the <em>logic travels</em> department.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>The mayor was a man. Aimee lived long ago. Don't presume I do not know what I am talking about. </p><p>" Mayor Bailey proclaimed officially that the hour between noon and one p.m. be observed that day, asking that all bells in the city be rung at noon and that traffic and activity stop. ...</p><p> </p><p>That same evening Mayor Bailey's wife presented herself for prayer for a foot condition which for three years had caused great pain. She vowed faith that she would receive deliverance. A few days later she told reporter Frances Wayne, "My foot is fine. Saturday night was the first time in three years that I have had any rest with my foot. For months and months I have had to get up and rub my foot before I could go to sleep. Now that is past. The trouble grew out of a broken arch, and an ex-ray taken a short time ago showed inflammation had set in. I have always believed in the potency of prayer, backed by faith, and I am sure Mrs. McPherson's prayers, added to my faith, have resulted in a cure." </p><p>Numerous other public officials of city, county, state, and federal agencies also testified to receiving salvation and healing. Alva Swain reported that Colorado's governor "brought a deaf and dumb boy to the building, and he was made to hear and talk." </p><p>As the campaign wound down to the final service business men recognized an amazing impact even on Denver's commercial life. While I have found no reports of people who sneaked on street cars inundating the trolley company with payments for stolen rides as happened in Wichita, for example, nevertheless, reports abounded of bills being paid on which creditors had given up hope of being able to collect. Hundreds of converts made restitution for past wrongs. And this was spontaneous. The evangelist did not demand this of the suppliants. She believed the Lord himself would direct the converts. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/ruinum/denver.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/ruinum/denver.htm</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>The words come alive only as God gives His spirit to our understanding of them. Otherwise, it is all a pretty shallow thing.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Don't have to. The bible has enough respect and clout as it is. All I am concerned about is that it agrees with my case. Whether you agree or not is quite secondary.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Sure, come on back to the beginning, and let's observe it, shall we, then? </p><p>All I need to show is that you can't back up the fairy tales with evidence.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Spiritual, or physical. The lie comes from the spiritual. It is just piped in via the physical agents, who usually don't even know what they are mouthing.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>You misunderstand what He meant. I see no need to get into it too deep either here.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>You know, the whole wording, and concept of what you are saying is pretty vague, as I see it. Right now, the general golden rule is love. If it is done in love, then it is a pretty safe bet that it is the right thing to do. Just apply that to any question along these lines you might have.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Yes, Jesus paid the price, and gave us the pardon from our sins.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>I noticed.</p><p></p><p>When we have billions of them, and a lot of agreement as well, and over great time, and accompanied by various proofs (not talking of science, that matters little), then we can admit it on the pile of evidences we have.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>It was self evident. Parents affect their kids.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Right, as I said, insanity. Don't worry about it, no one is manipulating my desk. Probably not even yours.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Keyboard.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Sorry your grasp on reality seems somewhat fickle.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>I suggest you put sanity first, and worry about the quest for truth later.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Chasing shadows, much?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Hey, you name it, I tame it. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>What was a fact here again, in your mind?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Guess we have a difference of opinion there then.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>The facts of life, I am afraid. The bible also states that we can be forgiven sins, forebearer or otherwise, by simply asking Jesus. So why sweat it?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Right, your expertise in in box. The coming heavens is spiritual, so, if you want to learn about things eternal, forget the in box science. Look to God, and the bible, or remain with what you have.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Not really? Whay are you going on about nothing?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Because we are it. We are the reason the stars shine, and the universe is in the state it is in now, and etc. It all revolves around us, so to speak. God is moving right here to earth forever. We are <em>significance incarnate</em>! Suggesting we are insignificant is a doctrine of devils.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Well, why will there be a different universe soon? Because we no longer need this temporary prison PO state. (PO state pen!)</p><p>So, we get back to the future, or the eternal state.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dad, post: 29262723, member: 98011"] Spirits can. They fly, and are spirits, according to the bible. That does it. No, burning a temple loaded with the greatest treasure in the world takes time. The difference is some 53 hours or such. that is very very within reason. In fact it would nbe unbelievable for them to have destroyed the compound, without taking the unimaginable riches. Considering the context, your take is impossible! Because look at all he did here. [B][I]13[/I][/B] He burned [I][B]the house of the LORD[/B], [B]the king's house and [SIZE=3]all[/SIZE] the houses of Jerusalem[/B][/I]; even [B][I]every large house he burned with fire[/I][/B]. [B][I]14[/I][/B] So all the army of the Chaldeans who were with the captain of the guard [B][I]broke down all the walls around Jerusalem[/I].[/B] ...carried away into exile some of the poorest of the people, ..Now the bronze pillars which belonged to the house of the LORD and the stands and the bronze sea, which were in the house of the LORD, the Chaldeans broke in pieces and carried all their bronze to Babylon [[COLOR=blue]notice here they did a number on the temple, it was huge, and that takes time, as does getting to Babylon!][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]....[/COLOR] [B][I]18[/I][/B] They also took away the pots, the shovels, the snuffers, the basins, the pans and all the bronze vessels which were used in temple service. [B][I]19[/I][/B] [B]The captain of the guard also took away the bowls, the firepans, the basins, the pots, the lampstands, the pans and the drink offering bowls, what was fine gold and what was fine silver.[/B] [B][I]20[/I][/B] The two pillars, the one sea, and the twelve bronze bulls that were under the sea, and the stands, which King Solomon had made for the house of the LORD--the bronze of all these vessels was beyond weight To do all that simply takes more than 5 minutes, sorry! This tells us the bible is real! Not just some story where they did all that in no time. [B]Lev 26:39[/B] - and others of you will waste away in sorrow as the result of your sins and the sins of your ancestors. The result of your sins, and theirs. No God sneaking in and clobbering kids, and meteing out extras at all. Cut the strange claims. No, someone told you wrong, no man or devil can pluck us out of His hand. If I could explain that, why get saved? You have to try it to know. Untold millions did try it. It is known to them. That is pretty well known. Well, who really cares that much anyhow about the relatioship of simplicity? Nope. That is just a grouping some one was monkeying with. Some physical similarities of little value. As a creature, we all know, an ape is an ape. Some evos have a classification by the same name, they like to include man in. Whopee doo. I am not an ape. False we have the documentation of the bible. Example, Jesus after rising from the dead. He could pass through solid doors, and such. This means His mass was different. Simple. No evolution that mentions a common single ancestor is scientific, in that it is imagination only. In any country. You can't take the created trait of evolving back to Granny, -just to the ark. In this case, it is evicence, whether or not it is fact in all cases. It is evidence somrthing is going on outside the box. Assuming your mother isn't real highlights your errors, not mine! Silly. You forget the evidence of reality again. Try to keep an eye on that, in all your mind excercises, will you? The simple and real actual fact of the matter is that we believed in spirit, and the spiritual, a long long long long long, long long long long time before science ever appeared on the scene. Your point is moot. I never was in that isolated place. I never doubted my parents, teachers, and friends were actually real. If I had of, I am not sure how far I would have gotten in the [I]logic travels[/I] department. The mayor was a man. Aimee lived long ago. Don't presume I do not know what I am talking about. " Mayor Bailey proclaimed officially that the hour between noon and one p.m. be observed that day, asking that all bells in the city be rung at noon and that traffic and activity stop. ... That same evening Mayor Bailey's wife presented herself for prayer for a foot condition which for three years had caused great pain. She vowed faith that she would receive deliverance. A few days later she told reporter Frances Wayne, "My foot is fine. Saturday night was the first time in three years that I have had any rest with my foot. For months and months I have had to get up and rub my foot before I could go to sleep. Now that is past. The trouble grew out of a broken arch, and an ex-ray taken a short time ago showed inflammation had set in. I have always believed in the potency of prayer, backed by faith, and I am sure Mrs. McPherson's prayers, added to my faith, have resulted in a cure." Numerous other public officials of city, county, state, and federal agencies also testified to receiving salvation and healing. Alva Swain reported that Colorado's governor "brought a deaf and dumb boy to the building, and he was made to hear and talk." As the campaign wound down to the final service business men recognized an amazing impact even on Denver's commercial life. While I have found no reports of people who sneaked on street cars inundating the trolley company with payments for stolen rides as happened in Wichita, for example, nevertheless, reports abounded of bills being paid on which creditors had given up hope of being able to collect. Hundreds of converts made restitution for past wrongs. And this was spontaneous. The evangelist did not demand this of the suppliants. She believed the Lord himself would direct the converts. [URL]http://www.geocities.com/ruinum/denver.htm[/URL] The words come alive only as God gives His spirit to our understanding of them. Otherwise, it is all a pretty shallow thing. Don't have to. The bible has enough respect and clout as it is. All I am concerned about is that it agrees with my case. Whether you agree or not is quite secondary. Sure, come on back to the beginning, and let's observe it, shall we, then? All I need to show is that you can't back up the fairy tales with evidence. Spiritual, or physical. The lie comes from the spiritual. It is just piped in via the physical agents, who usually don't even know what they are mouthing. You misunderstand what He meant. I see no need to get into it too deep either here. You know, the whole wording, and concept of what you are saying is pretty vague, as I see it. Right now, the general golden rule is love. If it is done in love, then it is a pretty safe bet that it is the right thing to do. Just apply that to any question along these lines you might have. Yes, Jesus paid the price, and gave us the pardon from our sins. I noticed. When we have billions of them, and a lot of agreement as well, and over great time, and accompanied by various proofs (not talking of science, that matters little), then we can admit it on the pile of evidences we have. It was self evident. Parents affect their kids. Right, as I said, insanity. Don't worry about it, no one is manipulating my desk. Probably not even yours. Keyboard. Sorry your grasp on reality seems somewhat fickle. I suggest you put sanity first, and worry about the quest for truth later. Chasing shadows, much? Hey, you name it, I tame it. What was a fact here again, in your mind? Guess we have a difference of opinion there then. The facts of life, I am afraid. The bible also states that we can be forgiven sins, forebearer or otherwise, by simply asking Jesus. So why sweat it? Right, your expertise in in box. The coming heavens is spiritual, so, if you want to learn about things eternal, forget the in box science. Look to God, and the bible, or remain with what you have. Not really? Whay are you going on about nothing? Because we are it. We are the reason the stars shine, and the universe is in the state it is in now, and etc. It all revolves around us, so to speak. God is moving right here to earth forever. We are [I]significance incarnate[/I]! Suggesting we are insignificant is a doctrine of devils. Well, why will there be a different universe soon? Because we no longer need this temporary prison PO state. (PO state pen!) So, we get back to the future, or the eternal state. [/QUOTE]
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