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<blockquote data-quote="dad" data-source="post: 29251862" data-attributes="member: 98011"><p>Not by present definition.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> So, do you like or not like the answers.com stuff there?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> So where do you get off deciding how so called logical or probable heaven is? Upon what do you base it?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Temporarily passing through is not "of". Like even Christians in the bible, are called, 'in the world, but not of the world'.</p><p> Certainly angels are not of the world. That is pretty elementary stuff.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> We know the Author.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Assume PO based logic goes to 'infinity, and beyond' if you like!</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/65/35/69/07/0065356907363_215X215.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Our logic is somewhat limited. Is it logical to time travel? There is likely will be, as an example.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> I say it depends on what we are talking about. Simple is often very ggod. Other times is is ridiculous.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Sticks and stones....</p><p> </p><p></p><p> The two entities must be ophysical entities. Like the moon, and earth. Gravity is at work there. Are you suggesting that the moon would suck in a passing angel with it's gravity??? Try to be realistic.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> Entities like an angel, and an earthgirl. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Well, I don't see where anything mutated.</p><p>mu·ta·gen (<span style="color: blue">my&#363;'t&#601;-j&#601;n, -j&#277;n'</span>) </p><p><em>n.</em> </p><p>An agent, such as a chemical, ultraviolet light, or a radioactive element, that can induce or increase the frequency of mutation in an organism.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> The percentage of children worldwide that actually really believe in Santa, under 6 years old, I would think is a small minority. For example, do you thin Chinees kids in China all really believe in Santa?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> OK, and that is science?</p><p> </p><p> The post refers to more than my feelings. The people that feel they know have reasons. Not just feelings. The reasons vary, and many are pretty concrete.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> We aren't talking about you here. We were talking YECs, bible believers. Those who know better than to think God is some monster. Why would they toss out the bible, on a witches whim? If there is no scientific evidence of the past state as you admit that all so called science opposing the bible is based?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> I don't remember any documented series of changes back and forth in the bible. There are none. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Well, I know it is all a croc. But I am talking about the claim, not any reality! If the entire universe was in a little 0, as you call it, I have heard others say, about the size of a photon, and grew, or expanded, then, at one time, it was as big, they claim, as a molecule, later, as a tip of a nose hair, etc. Even as big as a whole belly button at one time. My, how it grew.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Well, thankfully, you can't give mine away.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Don't really know what that means. But He never sinned, if that helps.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Your rebuttals I thought were whimpers of defeat. Guess you thought more highly of them. But I think we both made a case on the few verses in question, let the chips fall where they may.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Well, as I say, I took out the first few, why play with doubts all day? Anyone should be able to see that nothing there was any challenge at all to the accuracy, and authority of the bible!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> No, Because action have reactions out of the range of earth.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Says you. That makes about as much sense as 'I think, therefore I am'.</p><p></p><p> No, things function in a well ordered way. The universe is like a precise clock, and a clock does not appear buy itself.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> What is extra? There are concequences to actions.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Show me the spirit world, and I will show you why not. You are talking about this natural, and cannot talk of anything else. That is the limits of your logic, not infinity, and beyond.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> Everyehere you can observe. No need to!</p><p> </p><p></p><p> But that is precisely what you have for the past and future.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Well, it was the chilling stuff I refered to.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> If they did not exist how could they be different? The laws that did exist, of course must have been different.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> And a body is a body then, according to you. If it lives forever, can dematerialize, fly, etc matters not, it is still a man. Well, in a way, yes, but the processes, and state is different, and the old rules do not apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dad, post: 29251862, member: 98011"] Not by present definition. So, do you like or not like the answers.com stuff there? So where do you get off deciding how so called logical or probable heaven is? Upon what do you base it? [I][/I] Temporarily passing through is not "of". Like even Christians in the bible, are called, 'in the world, but not of the world'. Certainly angels are not of the world. That is pretty elementary stuff. We know the Author. Assume PO based logic goes to 'infinity, and beyond' if you like! [IMG]http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/65/35/69/07/0065356907363_215X215.jpg[/IMG] Our logic is somewhat limited. Is it logical to time travel? There is likely will be, as an example. I say it depends on what we are talking about. Simple is often very ggod. Other times is is ridiculous. Sticks and stones.... The two entities must be ophysical entities. Like the moon, and earth. Gravity is at work there. Are you suggesting that the moon would suck in a passing angel with it's gravity??? Try to be realistic. Entities like an angel, and an earthgirl. Well, I don't see where anything mutated. mu·ta·gen ([COLOR=blue]myū'tə-jən, -jĕn'[/COLOR]) [I]n.[/I] An agent, such as a chemical, ultraviolet light, or a radioactive element, that can induce or increase the frequency of mutation in an organism. The percentage of children worldwide that actually really believe in Santa, under 6 years old, I would think is a small minority. For example, do you thin Chinees kids in China all really believe in Santa? OK, and that is science? The post refers to more than my feelings. The people that feel they know have reasons. Not just feelings. The reasons vary, and many are pretty concrete. We aren't talking about you here. We were talking YECs, bible believers. Those who know better than to think God is some monster. Why would they toss out the bible, on a witches whim? If there is no scientific evidence of the past state as you admit that all so called science opposing the bible is based? I don't remember any documented series of changes back and forth in the bible. There are none. Well, I know it is all a croc. But I am talking about the claim, not any reality! If the entire universe was in a little 0, as you call it, I have heard others say, about the size of a photon, and grew, or expanded, then, at one time, it was as big, they claim, as a molecule, later, as a tip of a nose hair, etc. Even as big as a whole belly button at one time. My, how it grew. Well, thankfully, you can't give mine away. Don't really know what that means. But He never sinned, if that helps. Your rebuttals I thought were whimpers of defeat. Guess you thought more highly of them. But I think we both made a case on the few verses in question, let the chips fall where they may. Well, as I say, I took out the first few, why play with doubts all day? Anyone should be able to see that nothing there was any challenge at all to the accuracy, and authority of the bible! No, Because action have reactions out of the range of earth. Says you. That makes about as much sense as 'I think, therefore I am'. No, things function in a well ordered way. The universe is like a precise clock, and a clock does not appear buy itself. What is extra? There are concequences to actions. Show me the spirit world, and I will show you why not. You are talking about this natural, and cannot talk of anything else. That is the limits of your logic, not infinity, and beyond. Everyehere you can observe. No need to! But that is precisely what you have for the past and future. Well, it was the chilling stuff I refered to. If they did not exist how could they be different? The laws that did exist, of course must have been different. And a body is a body then, according to you. If it lives forever, can dematerialize, fly, etc matters not, it is still a man. Well, in a way, yes, but the processes, and state is different, and the old rules do not apply. [/QUOTE]
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