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One possible reason that the water could not stay on Venus is that Venus was too hot and lasted too long so the evaporation was too fast. In other words, the Venus cooled too slow.
The earth could and should be the same. However, the Noah's Flood cooled off the surface of the earth rapid enough to allow the beginning of the hydrological cycle. And that changed everything.
You got it all reverses.I'm no physicist, but why are we debating plausible explanations of a global flood? Wouldn't the energy required to cause a global flood and then remove all the water release enough heat to thoroughly cook practically all complex life?
IIRC, wouldn't magic be the only way it could occur, rendering a discussion of physics pointless?
One possible reason that the water could not stay on Venus is that Venus was too hot and lasted too long so the evaporation was too fast. In other words, the Venus cooled too slow.
The earth could and should be the same. However, the Noah's Flood cooled off the surface of the earth rapid enough to allow the beginning of the hydrological cycle. And that changed everything.
I am just saying that it was an entirely different earth.
There would be A LOT of consequences if there were no ocean on the earth (like Venus and Mars). For one, the model of subduction as we know it will not happen. It involves A LOT of water, although most of the water will come back to surface shortly after (you are right, the water will not go back to the mantle).Hi, I'm not a geoscientist, but perhaps you could explain how the existence of the hydrological cycle,which to my knowledge occurs in and above the upper crust, has anything to do with preventing the shutdown of plate tectonics, which I thought involved the mantle and its interaction with the lower crust?
There would be A LOT of consequences if there were no ocean on the earth (like Venus and Mars).
There would be A LOT of consequences if there were no ocean on the earth (like Venus and Mars). For one, the model of subduction as we know it will not happen.
It involves A LOT of water, although most of the water will come back to surface shortly after (you are right, the water will not go back to the mantle).
Yes, the ocean originated from the Noah's Flood.But there was an ocean. There is plenty of evidence to back it up. How else can you uplift thousands of feet of biogenic limestone during the flood without having large oceans pre-flood?
It seems to me that this whole thread centers on a loaded question. The Biblical claim is divine intervention. So the intial question really comes down to 'explain this by natural processes'. If you can't then it never happened. But if you can then God had nothing to do with it.
There would be A LOT of consequences if there were no ocean on the earth (like Venus and Mars). For one, the model of subduction as we know it will not happen. It involves A LOT of water, although most of the water will come back to surface shortly after (you are right, the water will not go back to the mantle).
Yes, the ocean originated from the Noah's Flood.
The Mission Canyon formation in the northwestern United States is part of a truly remarkable deposit. It is largely made of the remains of dead crinoids, which are deep-sea creatures called sea lilies. Clark and Stearn report,
"Much of the massive limestone formation is composed of sand-sized particles of calcium carbonate, fragments of crinoid plates, and shells broken by the waves. Such a sedimentary rock qualifies for the name sandstone because it is composed of particles of sand size cemented together; because the term sandstone is commonly understood to refer to a quartz-rich rock, however, these limestone sandstones are better called calcarenites. The Madison sea must have been shallow, and the waves and currents strong, to break the shells and plates of the animals when they died. The sorting of the calcite grains and the cross-bedding that is common in this formation are additional evidence of waves and currents at work. Even in Mississippian rocks, where whole crinoids are rare fossils, and as a result, it is easy to underestimate the population of these animals during the Paleozoic era. Crinoidal limestones, such as the Mission Canyon-Livingstone unit, provide an estimate, even though it be of necessity a rough one, of their abundance in the clear shallow seas they loved. In the Canadian Rockies the Livingstone limestone was deposited to a thickness of 2,000 feet on the margin of the Cordilleran geosyncline, but it thins rapidly eastward to a thickness of about 1,000 feet in the Front Ranges and to about 500 feet in the Williston Basin. Even though its crinoidal content decreases eastward, it may be calculated to represent at least 10,000 cubic miles of broken crinoid plates. How many millions, billions, trillions of crinoids would be required to provide such a deposit? The number staggers the imagination."46
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/toomanyanimals.htm
Yes, the ocean originated from the Noah's Flood.
Creationists claim that just by looking at the evidence it is apparent that there was a recent global flood. When the rubber meets the road this claim falls apart and they insert supernatural acts to explain the lack of evidence.
We have all seen creationists claim "We use the same evidence, we just interpret it differently". That differing interpretation is made plain. They explain away contradictory evidence with ad hoc miracles that leave no evidence.
Yes. The beauty of geological science as we know it now is that we can see some scientific reasons that could support or explain the Genesis Flood. However, we still can not prove it scientifically and need faith to complete the whole story. However, this situation is much much better than a total deny of the Genesis account.It seems to me that this whole thread centers on a loaded question. The Biblical claim is divine intervention. So the intial question really comes down to 'explain this by natural processes'. If you can't then it never happened. But if you can then God had nothing to do with it.
BTW: I think the premise also fails on mere verbal grounds. The narative basically says the water covered everything. This is pretty much what some in New Orleans would have said about Katrina. There is also evidence both cultural and geologic that there was in fact a pretty nasty flood in the Meddeteranian. (That does not prove the Biblical story, in fact it could be viewed as quite the opposite, the roots of the myth).
What pre-flood limestone?You didn't answer his question. If the ocean originated from the flood, how is pre-flood limestone uplifted during the flood? WHere did this limestone come from?
What pre-flood limestone?
Yes. The beauty of geological science as we know it now is that we can see some scientific reasons that could support or explain the Genesis Flood.
However, we still can not prove it scientifically and need faith to complete the whole story.
To put it in a simple statement: we do not know how did the earth get her ocean water. God makes it.
I am afraid that my knowledge is not enough to give you detailed answer on this. I assume the water functions like a lubricant in the action of subduction.So explain to me why subduction wouldn't happen if there was no ocean. In what way is the ocean water the driving force for subduction? As far as I know, the current plate tectonics model doesn't rely on water as an engine. Is water involved in subduction? Sure, but it is an accessory to subduction, rather than a primary factor. Water is most likely responsible for arc vulcanism, but in what way is this required to maintain tectonism?
Of course, there will be no limestone if there were no ocean.The limestone that we see at the top of many mountains, that supposedly were uplifted during the flood. How did it get there if not by being deposited pre-flood?
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