Soul Sleep

[BondmaidenOfChrist]

Hi everyone,
I can't remember if I have asked about this before,but anyways....
I was wondering what exactly you think soul sleep is and what scripture suppports this theory.I'd really like to learn more about this.
Thank you, Bondmaiden

 

[tall73]

Check this thread out.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2196368-the-bible-doctrine-concerning-death.html

 

[Adventist Dissident]

soul sleep is a bad term. it implies that there is a thing inside of you that sleeps when you die. it is misleading. I would say that it is dust to dust. this is both scientifically and theologically inaccurate. There is no soul you are a soul. you do not have one.

 

[Cliff2]

The Bible supports the view that when God made man and breathed into his nostrils that man became a living soul.

In some translations it says the man became a living being.

We are a living soul and without breath that living soul becomes a dead soul.

Which in turn becomes dust until the Second Coming, where the righteous are resurrected and go to heaven and then the rest of the dead are raised at the end of the 1,000 years to get their reward, eternal death along with the devil and his angels.

I will come back with Scripture but just now I have to be off.

 

[Sunrunner]

Ecclesiastes 9:5 always come to mind for starters.

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten."

Over and over again the Bible talks about death as a sleep. Otherwise, why would we need to be resurrected at the Second Coming? It's the most logical explanation.

 

[JF5000]

Hi everyone,
I can't remember if I have asked about this before,but anyways....
I was wondering what exactly you think soul sleep is and what scripture suppports this theory.I'd really like to learn more about this.
Thank you, Bondmaiden

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Living Souls[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]When man had been created from the dust, what did he become?
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen. 2:7.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]To what other order of beings is the term soul applied?
"And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, times]sheep." Num. 31:28.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Is the term "living souls" applied to anything besides man and beast?
"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." Rev. 16:3.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Can a soul suffer thirst?
"As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country." Prov. 25:25.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]May it also suffer hunger?[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]
"Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger." Prov. 19:15.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Is it capable of eating?[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]
"But the soul that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the Lord, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul shall be cut off from his people." Lev. 7:20.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Can it be injured?
"And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword." Joshua 11:11.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Can the soul die?
"Behold, all souls are Mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Eze. 18:4.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]What is said of the soul of Christ?[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]
"Therefore will I divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He hath poured out His soul unto death." Isa. 53:12.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]What becomes of the soul at death?
"What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? Shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?" Ps. 89:48.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Where did Christ's soul go at His death?[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]
"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell [hades], neither His flesh did see corruption." Acts 2:31.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]NOTE. - His soul went into the grave, but was not left there, He being raised on the third day.[/FONT]​

 

[JF5000]

Hi everyone,
I can't remember if I have asked about this before,but anyways....
I was wondering what exactly you think soul sleep is and what scripture suppports this theory.I'd really like to learn more about this.
Thank you, Bondmaiden

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]The Intermediate State[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]By what figure does the Bible represent death?
"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope." 1 Thess. 4:13 (1 Cor. 15:18, 20) (John 11:11-14).
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]NOTE. - In sound sleep one is wholly lost to consciousness; time goes by unmeasured; and the functions of the mental organs are suspended for the time being.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Where do the dead sleep?
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake." Dan. 12:2.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]How long will they sleep there?
"So man lieth down, and riseth not, till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." Job. 14:12.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]What must take place before Job could expect to awake?
"If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will wait, till my change come." Job 14:14.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Where does he wait?[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]
"If I wait, the grave is mine house; [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]I have made my bed in the darkness." Job 17:13.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]While in this condition, what does one know of those he has left behind?
"His sons come to honor, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:21.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]What becomes of man's thoughts at death?
"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." Ps. 146:4.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]Do the dead know anything?
"For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." Eccl. 9:5.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]What part, if any, do they take in earthly things?
"Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun." Ecc. 9:6.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]NOTE. - If one continued in consciousness after death, he would know of the promotion or dishonor of his sons. But Job says he does not know this, then if, as stated in the last text quoted, in death one loses all the attributes of his mind, as love, hatred, envy, etc., it is plain that his thoughts have perished, and that he can have nothing more to do with living objects. Again if man in death prolongs his powers of thought, he lives; and if he lives he must be somewhere. Where is he? Is he in heaven, or in hell? If in either place immediately after death, what is the necessity of a judgment in the end of the world to decide his case? Is there a possibility that some have at death gone to the wrong place, and must needs be sent to the other, after having been in bliss or torment for ages, perhaps?[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]What does the psalmist say about the dead praising the Lord?
"The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence." Ps. 115:17.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]How much does one know of God when dead?
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee." Ps. 6:5.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]But are not the righteous dead in heaven?
"For David is not ascended into the heavens." Acts 2:34.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]If the dead cannot praise God, what must take place to enable them to do so?
"Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust; for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead." Isa. 26:19.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]What was the only thing with which David would be satisfied?
"As for me, I will behold Thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with Thy likeness." Ps. 17:15.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]If there should never be an awakening of the dead, what would be the result?
"For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised; and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished." 1Cor. 15:16-18.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, times]When does the resurrection of the righteous take place?
"For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first." 1 Thess. 4:16 (1 Cor. 15:23).
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, times]NOTE. - If, as we have learned (Eccl. 9:5), the dead know not anything, then they will certainly have no knowledge of the lapse of time. A thousand years will be to them a day or a moment. To go down to the grave, and wait till the resurrection, even though it be a thousand years, will be to those who experience it like a sudden transition from this life to the next. It ought to be a consoling thought to one whose life has been filled with anxiety and grief for loved ones who persist in wickedness, to know that they will in death be spared torment. Again, it would mar the felicity of one's enjoyment in heaven if he could look upon earth, and see his friends and relatives maltreated by strangers, or suffering from cold and hunger. It is wise that God has ordered it as expressed by the patriarch: "His sons come to honor, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:21.[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, times]I hope this helps
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[Jimlarmore]

I think the soul sleep thing is a valid perspective of what happens. When all else fails the best thing to do is to read what the Lord Jesus Christ says about death. In John 11:11 He called death a sleep when He was referring to Lazarus. The Bible calls death a sleep in about a hundred different texts through out the Bible. I think the Lord called our death sleep was because He was fully aware of the real death that awaits the wicked one day. In other words He wanted to make a clear distinction between the two deaths by calling what happens in the first death a sleep. That death is a final annihilation of the soul and the body. This is the death He was speaking of in John 3:16 and Paul in Romans 6:23.

The soul is not annihilated in the first death, Jesus says that a time is coming that ALL who are in their graves will hear His voice and come forth some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt. The soul which is a man or woman or child will sleep and not know anything until the life giver wakes it up at the resurrection. Praise God!!!

 

[Windmill]

What happens you die? Good question. The answer is simple,

You cease to exist- this is what happens when you die​

Lets go through the process of what happens when you die:

1) You die
2) Your body becomes lifeless, and returns to the earth from which it came from
3) Your “spirit”/”mind”/whatever else you call it ceases to exist and goes no where.

THAT, my friends, is what happens when you die. Things that do not happen:

1) You are not transported to heaven/hell/purgatory, in mind or body form
2) You are not reincarnated.

Let us now look at the bible and see if what I say is true or not.

So, if we were alive in heaven, hell or purgatory (or reincarnated for that matter) we would have knowledge, awareness. We would have feelings, etc, no? Especially if you’re “burning in hell”. I mean, despite the fact that the idea of a everlasting torturous hell is not true (if you want more info on that just ask) even if it were true it in fact couldn’t work because the bible says the dead do not know anything.

[bible]Ecclesiastes 9:5-10[/bible]

I mean, if we were in heaven, would we not praise God? Yet, this verse says so otherwise,

[bible]Psalm 115:17[/bible]

The dead don’t praise God. Why? Because, quite simply, they are not aware of anything. Why? They are in a deep sleep- that is the best explanation. You don’t know anything when you’re dead- you just lie there. Not existing. You’re gone. You lie down, until you are later raised when Jesus comes again,

[bible]Job 14:12[/bible]

To further prove this is in reference to Jesus returning, check out this next verse,

[bible]2 Peter 3:10[/bible]

See the verse below. THAT is when we gain eternal life! When God comes.

[bible]1 Corinthians 15:51-52[/bible]

[bible]1 Thessalonians 4:16-17[/bible]

Besides, wouldn’t King David be in heaven today by this logic of going to heaven straight after you die? After all, he was good​

The bible makes it clear. King David is not in heaven!

[bible]Acts 2:29-34[/bible]

Let us take note. This verse came from the New Testament. After Jesus had come.

For those who say that we gained immorality after Jesus came and died- Jesus here had died, and David was still dead!​

So let us recap:

> The dead know nothing
> The dead are raised again when Jesus comes
> When you die, you just cease to exist
> King David himself is dead!!!

And remember, this was all shown through scriptual evidence.

But wait- maybe my body is dead, you may say- but what about my soul? Doesn’t that keep on living?​

It doesn’t. This is not scriptural. The soul isn’t some life force. A soul is a human being in most cases in the bible- and, occasionally, it is referring to something else, but it never says there is anything separate- some living force that keeps on living inside of you even when your body dies. The soul generally means a human being.

[bible]Genesis 2:7[/bible]

So, lets look at this. A soul was made. So, lets look at how a soul was made.

1) God formed a body- a vessel- from the dust
2) God breathed into the body to give it the breath of life
3) Boom. These two things combined to make a living soul.

So lets see. The way the soul is formed is from two things- it is a body + breath. If there had just been breath breathed into thin air, a soul would not have been formed. If a body had just been formed, a soul would not exist. No, a soul is body + breath. Ie, a soul is a living human being. Humans are souls.

So, a soul is,

 A living, breathing human being

A soul is not

> Your conscience
> Your mind
> Some spirit that lives inside of you

A soul is a human being.

So, if you take one of these things away, a soul dies. “Spirit” is often times used in reference to breath, or the life, inside of you. So, in this verse, we can see what happens to the soul when the body loses its spirit-ie, life force.

[bible]James 2:26[/bible]

So the body is dead. See? These two need each other to live. Since a soul is a combination of both, you take away one, you kill the other.

So when you die, your soul doesn’t go anywhere, because your soul is killed. Here is what happens to your soul at death:

[bible]Ecclesiastes 12:7[/bible]

The spirit is breath, and that returns to God, while the body fades away.

Besides- if the spirit were a life force, your mind or something, then this verse would make no sense,

[bible]Ecclesiastes 9:5-10[/bible]

Remember, we know nothing.

Souls die. We are sinners, are we not?

[bible]Ezekiel 18:20[/bible]

We are sinners- and the soul that sin shall die. Pretty clear, no?

So yes. AGAIN, let us recap what has been proven from the bible:

> The dead know nothing
> The dead are raised again when Jesus comes
> When you die, you just cease to exist
> King David himself is dead!!!
> A soul requires a body and spirit/breath to live
> Souls do not go to heaven and await resurrection of the body. They die.

Hope this has been of service to you ​

 

[Kevin02]

Hi everyone,
I can't remember if I have asked about this before,but anyways....
I was wondering what exactly you think soul sleep is and what scripture suppports this theory.I'd really like to learn more about this.
Thank you, Bondmaiden

Well if there ur talking about where do u go when u die then here is a sremon on it! This is a good one!!!

Are The Dead Really Dead:
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[Jimlarmore]

The false teaching of the immortal soul is the biggest lie the enemy of our souls has ever given to the world. It plays right into the desirous nature of mankind to want to live forever. Many will twist whatever truth they need to twist to make themselves feel they can believe in this lie. This lie is at the foundation of all spiritualism and was brougth over into the christian church thru paganism.