song of solomon

[BloodFire]

do you guys really take song of solomon as part of the Bible?

As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

are you kiddin me? this is supposed to be divinely inspired????

 

[ebia]

do you guys really take song of solomon as part of the Bible?


are you kiddin me? this is supposed to be divinely inspired????

You have a problem with it?

 

[Rafael]

It is a love song written to express the Groom's love and the Bride's love for each other. Being written in Hebrew and a few thousand years old, it may sound a bit funny, but it has serious symbolic beauty to the seeker and lover of God..

 

[MelissaShae]

The Song of Solomon is a poem for a man and his wife. It is to help them become one physically and emotionally in their marriage. It helps us to know that it is okay to be intimate with your spouse and to do with love for each other and for God and not with lust of the flesh. It also talks about coming together in a marriage as pure for each other and sharing intimate love for only your spouse.

It is beautifully written and a wonderful passage for married Christians to read together to become closer to each other and to God.

 

[BloodFire]

i dont think so... i think its a little.. you know.. smutty.

1. it has nothing to do with christianity
2. it does not glorify God.. and would be better outside of the Bible because it's as is said a poem

How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride!
How much more pleasing is your love than wine,
and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!

If only you were to me like a brother,
who was nursed at my mother's breasts!
Then, if I found you outside,
I would kiss you,
and no one would despise me.

sure its nice poetry.. bt i dont need a poem in the holy book to tell me i can love my spouse.

 

[MelissaShae]

Well if you would read more into you would know that it is not only a poem for husband and wife but for the Church to be the bride of Christ.

Marriage is a big part of christianity and God says that we are to save ourselves for our spouse and after we do that we are to give ourselves to our spouse, well sometimes we need a little guidance and reassurance that we are doing what God wants even in our marriage.

Many Christian commentators interpret the Song of Songs as a picture of the Church as the Bride of Christ. God loves His only Son and has called out, and prepared for him, a beautiful, virgin bride, "without spot or blemish," (Ephesians 5:23-32). In type this is illustrated in Genesis 24. Abraham's servant (type of the Holy Spirit) was sent by Abraham (type of the Father), into the far country to secure Rebekah as wife for his beloved Son, Isaac, (type of Christ).

And none of us are so perfect that we don't some guidance from God and if you think you are beyond his guidance then you are wrong.

 

[ebia]

i dont think so... i think its a little.. you know.. smutty.

Perhaps the problem lies not in poem, but in idea of what is smutty.

1. it has nothing to do with christianity

Say's who? Beauty and love have everything to do with Christianity.

2. it does not glorify God..

Again, that's your opinion.

and would be better outside of the Bible because it's as is said a poem

Why can't the bible contain poems?

sure its nice poetry.. bt i dont need a poem in the holy book to tell me i can love my spouse.

Maybe it can say a lot more than that if you let it.
If you start by deciding it's not inspired, then you are hardly likely to have read it in a way that allows God to speak to you through it. You've essentially built a circular argument.

 

[BloodFire]

actually, i read through song of solomon again and again looking for the inspiration. looking for the divine influence. i cant see it. let me guess i dnt have the holy ghost?

mellisashae

Well if you would read more into you would know that it is not only a poem for husband and wife but for the Church to be the bride of Christ.

sitting under His shade tasting His fruit?

Marriage is a big part of christianity and God says that we are to save ourselves for our spouse and after we do that we are to give ourselves to our spouse, well sometimes we need a little guidance and reassurance that we are doing what God wants even in our marriage.

i agree with all that.bt marriage is bigger in Mormonism. bt i dont think we take song of solomon as divinely inspired. though im not brainwashed. i found tht out after i found this out!

Many Christian commentators interpret the Song of Songs as a picture of the Church as the Bride of Christ. God loves His only Son and has called out, and prepared for him, a beautiful, virgin bride, "without spot or blemish," (Ephesians 5:23-32). In type this is illustrated in Genesis 24. Abraham's servant (type of the Holy Spirit) was sent by Abraham (type of the Father), into the far country to secure Rebekah as wife for his beloved Son, Isaac, (type of Christ).

thanks bt i think its being looked into too much.

And none of us are so perfect that we don't some guidance from God and if you think you are beyond his guidance then you are wrong.

how to pleasure youre husband or wife... ths isnt divine material. ths is a poem.. and nt a good one at that. why do you assume im beyond his guidance? why do you tell me im wrong?


ebia

Say's who? Beauty and love have everything to do with Christianity.

does "sitting under" a guys "shade" and "tasting his fruit" have stuff to do with christianity too? i agree beauty and love have everything to do w christianity.. bt does a poem on [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] have anything to do w it? im not trying to be rude im just confused..

Again, that's your opinion.

this guy thinks of her as his sister and bride.. right? so how does that glorify God? it sounds.. well... bad.

Why can't the bible contain poems?

because its a book of God. its a HOLY BOOK. unless its all fictitious... then why keep a poem about two peoples desires..? i dnt think a poem abt THAT shd be in a holy book..

Maybe it can say a lot more than that if you let it.

i let it.. but it said nothing.

If you start by deciding it's not inspired, then you are hardly likely to have read it in a way that allows God to speak to you through it.

please dont assume. ive read through it plenty of times bc i thought it was just my young audlt mind.. bt after reading it through in NIV and KJV i found nothing... holy about it.. you guys are just taking stuff in there to be holy.. bt i cant see it.

You've essentially built a circular argument.

again please dont assume... i was open minded when i read it... now i cant see why its considered a holy book of the Bible.

 

[BereanTodd]

Job and the Psalms are also written in the form of Hebrew poetry, there are in fact many styles of writting in the Bible, from historical narrative, to gospel, to letters (epistles), apocalyptic, and yes - poetry. If you want to throw it out because it is poetry in form, then you must also throw out the Psalms and Job.

Well is it the content then that bothers you? It is the story of God's plan for marriage, and marital love. It is a beautiful pattern for courtship and marriage. As such I think it not only has a place in the Bible, but that it is a sadly neglected book that we would do better to study more and pay more attention to.

 

[StylesEste]

I know the Song of Solomon can be taken in the wrong direction; it's written in the bible; so it must mean it is perfectly alright to do this!
I've often heard that before, the clever little ones trying to interpritate(sp?) in their own unique way, given it is important to have an open mind to the understanding of the Word, but the complete and absolutely undisputed truth of it comes from the Holy Spirit; whom is waiting for all to speak; and is very sensitive, so that's another reason to watch carefully what you say for the Spirit hears clearly and is never deaf.

Anyways; the Song of Solomon is an important part of understanding the Wedding Ceremony, the marriage life, and how to respond to each other, though it does mention of a way to enter into the consumated love between the man and wife; it is not graphic, just states to be very careful and not to be violent or abusive, and to not put your wife away (ignore/abandoned) and to not cheat on her.

Although I would have liked a little more details about how a really mean girlfriend should be nice to her boyfriend. I don't like getting hit all the time. But I sigh and smile about it.

Anyways hope the post has a message with it that's read easily.

 

[KarrieTex]

do you guys really take song of solomon as part of the Bible?


are you kiddin me? this is supposed to be divinely inspired????

You are missing the bigger picture. Not only is it a book that examplifies what a great marriage can be by FOLLOWING God's will in this. It is also pointing to the Bride (the Church) and the Groom (Christ) and the relationship they have.

I am gald that it is in the Bible.

 

[Rut]

do you guys really take song of solomon as part of the Bible?


are you kiddin me? this is supposed to be divinely inspired????

In the past time they never question if this book was inspired.This book was in Septuginta and Josefos had it in his list of holy books.Romans 15:4 So we learn something from this book

Think about the story.Salomo had fall in love with a simple country girl.As you know he was rich,wise, had much power.The queen of Saba admire him but this girl didn`t She was really in love in a boy that was a shepheard.Nothing, nothing could do anything about her love for him.That can teach us something today

One of my favourites are chapter 8:6 - 7 That show how strong real love is and what kind of love we shall have

This was my two cents about this book

 

[ebia]

actually, i read through song of solomon again and again looking for the inspiration. looking for the divine influence. i cant see it. let me guess i dnt have the holy ghost?

mellisashae

sitting under His shade tasting His fruit?

i agree with all that.bt marriage is bigger in Mormonism. bt i dont think we take song of solomon as divinely inspired. though im not brainwashed. i found tht out after i found this out!



thanks bt i think its being looked into too much.

how to pleasure youre husband or wife... ths isnt divine material. ths is a poem.. and nt a good one at that. why do you assume im beyond his guidance? why do you tell me im wrong?


ebia

does "sitting under" a guys "shade" and "tasting his fruit" have stuff to do with christianity too? i agree beauty and love have everything to do w christianity.. bt does a poem on [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] have anything to do w it? im not trying to be rude im just confused..

this guy thinks of her as his sister and bride.. right? so how does that glorify God? it sounds.. well... bad.

because its a book of God. its a HOLY BOOK. unless its all fictitious... then why keep a poem about two peoples desires..? i dnt think a poem abt THAT shd be in a holy book..

i let it.. but it said nothing.

please dont assume. ive read through it plenty of times bc i thought it was just my young audlt mind.. bt after reading it through in NIV and KJV i found nothing... holy about it.. you guys are just taking stuff in there to be holy.. bt i cant see it.

again please dont assume... i was open minded when i read it... now i cant see why its considered a holy book of the Bible.

Your argument seems to be that it isn't inspired because:
a. it doesn't fit with your particular cultural hang-ups about sex, which presupposes that your hang-ups (which are very much the product of the particular culture in which you live) are right and the poem is wrong.
b. it's a poem. This makes no sense at all - God can communicate through whatever genres he chooses.

 

[OldChurchGuy]

i dont think so... i think its a little.. you know.. smutty.

1. it has nothing to do with christianity
2. it does not glorify God.. and would be better outside of the Bible because it's as is said a poem




sure its nice poetry.. bt i dont need a poem in the holy book to tell me i can love my spouse.

As you can tell, "smutty" is a loaded word with all sorts of connotations and meanings. Like pornography, it may be one of those words that can't be clearly defined, but a person knows it when they see it.

The Song of Solomon is definitely a controversial writing as it is dealing with love between a man and a woman as well as hinting at all kinds of images that can be interpreted as erotic.

I am curious though how the Song of Solomon is any more offensive than the story in Genesis regarding the rape of Dinah, or Absalom having sex with his sister in 2 Samuel, or David's affair with Bathsheba. Granted, none of these were written in a type of poetry, but how do they glorify God and why aren't they also smutty?

Curious as always,

OldChurchGuy

 

[BloodFire]

As you can tell, "smutty" is a loaded word with all sorts of connotations and meanings. Like pornography, it may be one of those words that can't be clearly defined, but a person knows it when they see it.

The Song of Solomon is definitely a controversial writing as it is dealing with love between a man and a woman as well as hinting at all kinds of images that can be interpreted as erotic.

I am curious though how the Song of Solomon is any more offensive than the story in Genesis regarding the rape of Dinah, or Absalom having sex with his sister in 2 Samuel, or David's affair with Bathsheba. Granted, none of these were written in a type of poetry, but how do they glorify God and why aren't they also smutty?

Curious as always,

OldChurchGuy

they are facts. they dont make it pretty. they say it happened and they dont linger on it

 

[KarrieTex]

they are facts. they dont make it pretty. they say it happened and they dont linger on it

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

One) It does glorify God. The Song shows what a marriage that is Godly can be like. There is romance, there is SEX, and there is courtship. God made us to do this and it is good to see an example of God's precepts following it. It also shows us that the gift God gave us in marriage, which is sex, when used as God intended it is beautiful.

Two) If you can look past "your" own misconceptions of sex to see the book for what it is, you can also see (as I have said) the relationship between the Bride and the Groom i.e. the Church and Christ.

The only difference betwee the Song of Solomon and any other bibical account that deals with sex is it is written poetically. From your answers I can simply assume that you would rather hear the sex, which is all through out the Bible, be talked about in a straight forward manner.

 

[BloodFire]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

...what?

 

[KarrieTex]

...what?

they are facts. they dont make it pretty. they say it happened and they dont linger on it

What does that have anything to do with it being "smutty"?

 

[AWorkInProgress]

do you guys really take song of solomon as part of the Bible?


are you kiddin me? this is supposed to be divinely inspired????

I find this funny. Yesterday my paster used some the songs of Solomon in his serman.

Well it was about how we look to society and not God for the way to a marriage. Songs where mentioned in the "Affirmation" part of his serman. Instead of flowers, women love affirmation by their men. Used Songs of Solomon's as an example how a man expressed his love to his beloved.

He went on that if men couldn't be like Solomon, they could use hallmark cards to find what they want to express. Was pretty intresting and fun serman to say the least haha.

 

[BloodFire]

they are facts. they dont make it pretty. they say it happened and they dont linger on it

What does that have anything to do with it being "smutty"?

...what????
im confused!!