Son of Man outside of the Gospels

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why is "the son of the man" never mentioned outside of the Gospels [except in Revelation, where it is "one like" a son of man]. Who is this "son of the man"?

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like-as the Son of man/0606 'enash came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Ezekiel 1:26 And above the expanse that was over their heads, as the appearance of a sapphire stone, was the likeness of a throne,--and upon the likeness of a throne, was a likeness as the appearance of a man/0120 'adam upon it above.

Matt 10:23 "Whenever yet they may be chasing/persecuting ye in the city, this, be fleeing into the other.
For Amen I am saying to ye, not no ye should be finishing the cities of the Israel till ever may be coming the Son of the Man".

Reve 1:13 And in midst of the lampstands like-as/omoion <3664> a-Son of Man, having been in-clothed/endedumenon <1746> (5765), reaching to the feet, and having been girded about towards the breasts a-golden belt/purse.

 

[cyberlizard]

it is however mentioned all over the place in the popular books of the period (most the pseudopigraphal works) most well known of which is enoch.

Steve

 

[Chickapee]

hi little lamb does this count ? i remember reading this chapter with amazment a few months ago
and
I tried top to copy interlinear this was all i could do ..lol
what do you think ? peace C
Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son[ben1121] of man,[120 adam] that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/num23.pdf

 

[SummaScriptura]

it is however mentioned all over the place in the popular books of the period (most the pseudopigraphal works) most well known of which is enoch.

Steve, it is not mentioned all over the place in the popular books of the period. You make it sound as if the term was commonplace. It was not commonplace. I am hard-pressed to think of more than one other book which has it. That does not mean its not out there in other books, just not all over the place.

It is mentioned all over the place in 1 Enoch, though. It is one feature that makes 1 Enoch so unusual.

It is important to differentiate between "a son of man" and "the son of man". The former refers to one being of human descent and the latter referring to a specific person, the Messiah. Neither use is common, the latter use being very rare except for its use in the Gospels (Luke especially) and in 1 Enoch.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Steve, it is not mentioned all over the place in the popular books of the period. You make it sound as if the term was commonplace. It was not commonplace. I am hard-pressed to think of more than one other book which has it. That does not mean its not out there in other books, just not all over the place.

It is mentioned all over the place in 1 Enoch, though. It is one feature that makes 1 Enoch so unusual.

It is important to differentiate between "a son of man" and "the son of man". The former refers to one being of human descent and the latter referring to a specific person, the Messiah. Neither use is common, the latter use being very rare except for its use in the Gospels (Luke especially) and in 1 Enoch.

Ok thanks. Here is another verse in John 12 where the people asked Him this and it could be a reference to "Adam" as the Man. Thoughts?

John 12:34 The crowd answered Him, "We have heard out of the Law that the Christ remains into the Age, and how thou say, 'The Son of the Man must be lifted up/exalted/uywqhnai <5312> (5683)'? Who-any is this the Son of the Man?"

 

[SummaScriptura]

Ok thanks. Here is another verse in John 12 where the people asked Him this and it could be a reference to "Adam" as the Man. Thoughts?

John 12:34 The crowd answered Him, "We have heard out of the Law that the Christ remains into the Age, and how thou say, 'The Son of the Man must be lifted up/exalted/uywqhnai <5312> (5683)'? Who-any is this the Son of the Man?"

In John 12 and the rest of the Gospels, the term "the Son of Man" always refers to Jesus the Messiah.

Correction: earlier I'd posted Luke used the term most, but I just took a look and Matthew has him beat.

 

[Chickapee]

John 12:34 The crowd answered Him, "We have heard out of the Law that the Christ remains into the Age, and how thou say, 'The Son of the Man must be lifted up/exalted/uywqhnai <5312> (5683)'? Who-any is this the Son of the Man?"

wow i saw something in this Little Lamb , who is the Son of Man
here the Lord Jesus answers the above question with something he anwers to Nicodemus John 3 YLT and yet again more clearly in John 8

.. 13and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down -- the Son of Man who is in the heaven.

14`And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up,
15that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.


and John 8 YLT

23and he said to them, `Ye are from beneath, I am from above; ye are of this world, I am not of this world;
24I said, therefore, to you, that ye shall die in your sins, for if ye may not believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.'
25They said, therefore, to him, `Thou -- who art thou?' and Jesus said to them, `Even what I did speak of to you at the beginning;
26many things I have to speak concerning you and to judge, but He who sent me is true, and I -- what things I heard from Him -- these I say to the world.'
27They knew not that of the Father he spake to them;
28Jesus, therefore, said to them, `When ye may lift up the Son of Man then ye will know that I am [he]; and of myself I do nothing, but according as my Father did teach me, these things I speak;
29and He who sent me is with me; the Father did not leave me alone, because I, the things pleasing to Him, do always.'
30As he is speaking these things, many believed in him;
31Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, `If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth,
32and the truth shall make you free.'
33They answered him, `Seed of Abraham we are; and to no one have we been servants at any time; how dost thou say -- Ye shall become free?'
34Jesus answered them, `Verily, verily, I say to you -- Every one who is committing sin, is a servant of the sin,
35and the servant doth not remain in the house -- to the age, the son doth remain -- to the age; 36if then the son may make you free, in reality ye shall be free.
and In John 8 the wahla! answer !!

peace... GOD BLESS C

 

[Chickapee]

H-E-L-P ! Little Lamb , what Bible can i find without downloading ?

found yours ! very encouraging


John 12:32 "And-I if-ever I may be being exalted out of the land, all I shall be drawing toward Myself"


this is YLT John 12


28Father, glorify Thy name.' There came, therefore, a voice out of the heaven,

`I both glorified, and again I will glorify [it];'



29the multitude, therefore, having stood and heard, were saying

that there hath been thunder; others said, `A messenger hath spoken to him.'
30Jesus answered and said, `Not because of me hath this voice come, but because of you;
31now is a judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast forth;
32and I, if I may be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself.'


33And this he said signifying by what death he was about to die;


34the multitude answered him, `We heard out of the law that the Christ doth remain --

to the age; and how dost thou say,

That it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up? who is this -- the Son of Man?'

what translation is your verse above ?
all i can find
John 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth,
thanks a million bro
peace C ...

 

[Thekla]

just reading, but lovely here !

thank-you !

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up? who is this -- the Son of Man?'

what translation is your verse above ?
all i can find
John 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth,
thanks a million bro
peace C ...

Hi Chickapoo!!! What I do is copy the greek text to word pad then use a greek/english interlinear to put the english in word for word. Rarely do I have to change the word order.
What ya think?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
the 3 main greek text can be seen here

[Tex-Rec]John 12:32 kagw <2504> {AND I} ean <1437> {IF-EVER} uywqw <5312> (5686) {I BE LIFTED UP} ek <1537> {OUT} thV <3588> {OF THE} ghV <1093> {LAND} pantaV <3956> {ALL/M} elkusw <1670> (5692) {WILL DRAW} proV <4314> {TOWARED} emauton <1683> {MYSELF.}

 

[Chickapee]

Hi Chickapoo!!! What I do is copy the greek text to word pad then use a greek/english interlinear to put the english in word for word. Rarely do I have to change the word order.
What ya think?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
the 3 main greek text can be seen here

[Tex-Rec]John 12:32 kagw <2504> {AND I} ean <1437> {IF-EVER} uywqw <5312> (5686) {I BE LIFTED UP} ek <1537> {OUT} thV <3588> {OF THE} ghV <1093> {LAND} pantaV <3956> {ALL/M} elkusw <1670> (5692) {WILL DRAW} proV <4314> {TOWARED} emauton <1683> {MYSELF.}

I got it now lol , a momentary lapse of reason bro hee hee , I really need to use the Olive tree more , thanks for sharing it with me , its a great tool , i just loose it in favorites ...
you just take out the #s and you got the strait answer! from the greek translation . cool !
peace hugs C