Somewhere inbetween.... and confused

[Debi1967]

What do I do? That seems to be my question. In all of this time, I have embraced something that to me is truly beautiful. But, at the same time I am now where I am confused with things again.

I have established finally the way of thinking that I believe to be the Truth and the most in line with the Church. The problem is that I seem to be in constant conflict with my Brethren. When I spoke to my priest about this, he assured me that to be traditional in my thinking and still at the same time in submission to Rome was correct, and I agree with him. He even went as far as saying that there are many inside the Church that believe the same way I do and that I should not worry about it.

But still I sometimes do, I sortof feel like I am inbetween. Inbetween what though I do not know and that is what is the most confusing of all.

Has anyone here ever felt like this and can you help.....

Pax Christi
Debi

 

[St_Joseph_Cupertino]

Have you tried referencing your feelings and ideas to the Catechism of the Cathoilc Church?

I think we as Catholics are to accept and submit to the authority of Rome. If your beliefs are in line with what the Papacy prescribes, and even better, you can pin-point it in the CCC, you should be fine. Don't you think?

I know I spent time searching the CCC on issues I had when joining the Church.

Hope this helps?

Peace in Christ!

 

[MParedon]

I'm not exactly sure what you might be speaking of. Could you elaborate using an example?

 

[Debi1967]

Have you tried referencing your feelings and ideas to the Catechism of the Cathoilc Church?

I think we as Catholics are to accept and submit to the authority of Rome. If your beliefs are in line with what the Papacy prescribes, and even better, you can pin-point it in the CCC, you should be fine. Don't you think?

I know I spent time searching the CCC on issues I had when joining the Church.

Hope this helps?

Peace in Christ!

That is the point, when I reference the CCC and the Early Church Fathers, it all points to the traditionalism that I believe in and adhere to, but then I seem to have my Brehtren telling me that I am wrong. So either I am not doing something right or I do not know.... This is why I am so confused...

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

Adoartion and Prayer learn to give all over to the Lord and the rest will follow
Get a book of saints lifes and use their example and you will soon learn that you are not alone that other ahve walked the path you now walk

 

[St_Joseph_Cupertino]

Well, for me, I would believe the CCC and the Pope over my friends.

If it is written in the CCC, you have the proof you need and you can even help them understand your situation too.

So, basically you believe something that is confirmed by your parish priest, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and hence the Papacy...I think you are okay to keep on believing.

But now you have really sparked my curiosity about this issue....maybe good material for a thread?

Peace in Christ!

 

[Debi1967]

I'm not exactly sure what you might be speaking of. Could you elaborate using an example?

Traditionalism is the belief in complete Orthodoxy and the infallibility of the Pope combined... giving credence to to our Church Fathers as being the wise Saints they are and rich in the knowledge they bestow but at the same time upholding all the traditions that have been passed down through the years and seeing their relevance as still being significant today, and especially the significance of complete and utter submission to the Church.

 

[MParedon]

Ahhh! Click! Sorry, I'm kinda slow sometimes. I understand what you are talking about. I tend to feel very lonely in that I find such importance in...well..the importance of Church teachings and the Deposit of Faith. I feel like so many people don't even care.

One thing I do though, is go to the Conferences, Speeches, and studies that are held throughout the year, and while I don't know so many of the people there, I feel great comfort in knowing there are people that are not only Faithful to the Church, they are also interested in being more submissive and learning more about it.

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

 

[thereselittleflower]

Debi . . as we draw closer to the truth, our friends whom we experience commeraderie with grow fewer , , , , ,


Peace in Him!

 

[PeterPaul]

I agree with Therese debi. The first ones to fall are the secular friends who can not stand to be near you because of what you believe. Then some family members who just because you are practicing your faith (not even preaching to them) walk away. And then fellow Catholics who can not understand why you might be so traditional and faithful to the Church. And finally those who have succumbed to the liberalness fostered in contemporary times, who don't understand your upholding orthodoxy and tradition.

 

[thereselittleflower]

That is true PeterPaul . . .

Debi . . what you find yourself inbetween is Truth and Compromise . . .

As a person moves towars one or the other, they feel less 'inbetween' . . . one is easier to move towards . . the other is harder because of what it costs us when we do . . . .


Peace in Him!

 

[Brother Charlie]

who are you debating with? who is causing you to doubt?

 

[ufonium2]

debiwebi, I totally sympathize. I am the most traditionalist person in my parish, and it gets lonely being the parish fundie sometimes. The internet is great for connecting with with like-minded Christians, and I would also suggest you find some good orthodox publications to read. There's one monastery whose publications keep me sane. Find that publisher/organization for you, and spend as much time reading them as you do listening to liberalism from other church members, and you'll be ok.

 

[BjBarnett]

Traditionalism is the belief in complete Orthodoxy and the infallibility of the Pope combined... giving credence to to our Church Fathers as being the wise Saints they are and rich in the knowledge they bestow but at the same time upholding all the traditions that have been passed down through the years and seeing their relevance as still being significant today, and especially the significance of complete and utter submission to the Church.

debiwebi i respect you highly for having that point of view. I think its a very good way of looking at things. I mean the early church fathers were very smart and knew what they were doing . I think you should hold tight to your traditionalism no matter what anyone else says.

 

[Debi1967]

who are you debating with? who is causing you to doubt?

It is not whom I am debating with per se but what I am debating about that troubles me....

I seem to have to defend the Church and our submission to Her, a lot.....

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

It is not whom I am debating with per se but what I am debating about that troubles me....

I seem to have to defend the Church and our submission to Her, a lot.....

By doing so you defend Christ, and He promised that if we walk in His way that there will be crosses along the way, but we are not to run from them, we are to persevere asking Him to help us.

I sometimes feel the same as you Debi, but we must persevere.

 

[PeterPaul]

It is not whom I am debating with per se but what I am debating about that troubles me....

I seem to have to defend the Church and our submission to Her, a lot.....

But Debi, it could be worse. You could be an agnostic with no meaning in the universe but to debate which mall to go to (you know, like here in L.I.).

 

[Debi1967]

But Debi, it could be worse. You could be an agnostic with no meaning in the universe but to debate which mall to go to (you know, like here in L.I.).

Oh that is not nice and be careful I will be home on the 16th so you had better start hiding PP.....

 

[BAChristian]

Perhaps it's the way you say things...

Ya know, I will always be submissive to the Church, no matter what, and I will continue to seek God when I say to him, "God, why do you teach this and that? Why is it that this seems to fail, yet, you teach to abide by it anyway?" And he will always be there in my prayers, leading me to His answer. Not mine.

May I suggest that you apply your zeal for your faith in a little different way. Maybe bring it down a few notches and think about what people are actually saying.

I work in a Fortune 50 Enterprise, and it's intriguing to note that people love to read emails, then they just quickly do the "knee-jerk" reaction and they shoot off an email and they probably didn't really think about what they typed before they typed it.

By then, it's already written down, and...well...damage is done.

My point is that you clearly read, "I don't agree", and equated that to, "I will not obey", even though I would always be obediant to the Church, I will sometimes (like the celibacy issue) question what our Lord teaches.

I think that's a good thing, because it'll make me grow in my faith. Sorry if that offends you, but I'm just growing. Maybe you have no issues with the Church and what she teaches. If so, then I applaud you.

Ya know, you could have easily said, "Yeah BA, but we have to abide by what she teaches, eh?", and I would've said, "Yeah...true...I guess I will continue to pray about it..."

Now doesn't that sound better?