something to think about

[hisgrace26]

there are many creation/floods stories around the world. i'm curious what makes the genesis story more 'accurate' or acceptable than the rest of them?

if theists want to 'prove' that their god exist, then by the same logic they must also accept the countless of flood stories around the world and that each of their own gods exist. what is the rationale behind this?

btw, what if one of their god advocate reincarnation and yours did not? the difference between christianity and the rest of the world religion is the uniqueness of grace and salvation. you dont find it anywhere else except in christianity--just as reincarnation does not exist in your christianity. again, what is rationale behind this?

 

[AV1611VET]

there are many creation/floods stories around the world. i'm curious what makes the genesis story more 'accurate' or acceptable than the rest of them?

Jesus accepted it.

Peter accepted it.

Isaiah accepted it.

Moses accepted it.

We accept it.

 

[Gracchus]

Jesus accepted it.

You say that, because you were told that. But even if Jesus did accept it, that does not make it so.

Peter accepted it.

You say that, because you were told that. But even if Peter did accept it, that does not make it so.

Isaiah accepted it.

You say that, because you were told that. But even if Isaiah did accept it, that does not make it so.

Moses accepted it.

You say that, because you were told that. But even if Moses did accept it, that does not make it so.

We accept it.

We have seen that you accept all sorts of nonsense.

 

[AV1611VET]

We have seen that you accept all sorts of nonsense.

You tell me that, but even if I did accept it, that does not make it so.

 

[hisgrace26]

Jesus accepted it.

Peter accepted it.

Isaiah accepted it.

Moses accepted it.

We accept it.

thanks Av, i understand the christian pressupposition well.
to understand other religion you must see it from their side as well.

I get a lot of mockery from my non-theist friends.. you know..that christians are closed minded. but as a christian, i know what i believe. i dont even see the revelance in my own traditional beliefs. we have a god too. and he created all things. we just call him different. we have a flood story too but the context is lacking. even though we haven't read the bible, we knew. so i was just curious how to answer these types of question.

 

[hisgrace26]

one question: since God required worship from everybody how do theist explain the problem of exponential growth not just within the human race but also on ecology including animals?

 

[hisgrace26]

pple died and born everyday. not everyone will hear the gospel. this is problematic. what is rationale behind this? since God is all powerful im sure he can find a way to do it. you see, creation doesn't make sense.

 

[AV1611VET]

one question: since God required worship from everybody how do theist explain the problem of exponential growth not just within the human race but also on ecology including animals?

In Genesis 1, God populated the entire earth with man and animals in just two days: the fifth and sixth days -- three days, if you include the plant kingdom on the fourth day.

When Noah got off the Ark, God gave Him and his sons a specific blessing.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

When God blessed Solomon with riches, he became rich in his lifetime; and it is the same thing when God blessed Noah and his sons with fruitfulness, they replenished the earth in their lifetimes.

As far as the plant and animal kingdoms go -- just like in Genesis 1, where God populated the entire earth in three days, God took over and assisted the plants and animals with replenishing the earth in just one or two generations.

It could have taken God only three days to replenish the earth, but since He had ceased (rested) from His creative acts on the seventh day (Genesis 2), I can only assume He assisted the plant and animal kingdom by blessing them with fertility as well.

This is, of course, just my assumption.

 

[AV1611VET]

pple died and born everyday. not everyone will hear the gospel. this is problematic. what is rationale behind this? since God is all powerful im sure he can find a way to do it. you see, creation doesn't make sense.

Again, here is my assumption on this.

Since Paul says in Romans that people will stand before God without excuse as to why they didn't believe in Him, what about those who have NEVER heard the Gospel or seen a Bible?

I believe Psalm 19 gives us the answer to this dilemma.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psalm 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Psalm 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Psalm 19:4a Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.

For those who have never heard the Gospel, I believe God gives a special ability for them to be able to "read the Gospel" in God's creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

I get a lot of mockery from my non-theist friends.. you know..that christians are closed minded.

I get a lot of that too, superman.

Just keep up the faith, stay the course and witness for Jesus, and God will bless you for it!

Even though you're mocked and ridiculed, they will see your faith and respect it, even if they do mock you for it.

 

[Davian]

 

[AV1611VET]

In this country, we have a 10-ammendment addition to the Constitution, called the Bill of Rights, that insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

That guy on the left in that picture had better respect it; because if he doesn't, and does something against the other guy because of it, the next door will be opened for him by a corrections officer.

 

[Davian]

In this country, we have a 10-ammendment addition to the Constitution, called the Bill of Rights, that insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

That guy on the left in that picture had better respect it; because if he doesn't, and does something against the other guy because of it, the next door will be opened for him by a corrections officer.

What if the guy on the right tries to have this creation story taught as fact in science class?

What if the guy on the right tries to have pictures depicting this grand battle hung in government buildings?

What if the guy on the right tries to have government laws enacted and policies decided upon based on his particular interpretation of the documentation supporting his creation story?

 

[AV1611VET]

What if the guy on the right tries to have this creation story taught as fact in science class?

What if the guy on the right tries to have pictures depicting this grand battle hung in government buildings?

What if the guy on the right tries to have government laws enacted and policies decided upon based on his particular interpretation of the documentation supporting his creation story?

WOW -- zero to sixty in one post!

 

[Phred]

In this country, we have a 10-ammendment addition to the constitution, called the Bill of Rights, that insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

That guy on the left in that picture had better respect it; because if he doesn't, and does something against the other guy because of it, the next door will be opened for him by a corrections officer.

No... I don't have to respect your faith. I just have to allow you to have it. Just as I don't respect Scientology and the belief that aliens poured souls into volcanos from space-faring 707s I don't have to respect the belief that the entire world was covered with water that came from a magic reservoir and went back there without leaving a trace. I simply have to stand back and let you believe in magic if you want to.

But respect? No... I don't have to do that by law.

 

[AV1611VET]

No... I don't have to respect your faith. I just have to allow you to have it. Just as I don't respect Scientology and the belief that aliens poured souls into volcanos from space-faring 707s I don't have to respect the belief that the entire world was covered with water that came from a magic reservoir and went back there without leaving a trace. I simply have to stand back and let you believe in magic if you want to.

But respect? No... I don't have to do that by law.

Let me repeat myself here, with emphasis:

In this country, we have a 10-ammendment addition to the Constitution, called the Bill of Rights, that insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

That guy on the left in that picture had better respect it; because if he doesn't, and does something against the other guy because of it, the next door will be opened for him by a corrections officer.

 

[razeontherock]

So Phred can't read, and we give him a pass?

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

It does rather give a recipe for confusion if you include the "he better respect it, cause if he doesnt" line, it doesnt belong there if what truely matters is if the guy on the left commits a crime.

Regardless of how much or little he respects the believes of the person he commited the crime against he's going to have his next door opened by an officer.

So Its like saying "He better respect it because if he doesnt, and stands outside all night in the rain, he's going to get wet!"

 

[Jazer]

i'm curious what makes the genesis story more 'accurate' or acceptable than the rest of them?

What makes the Bible more accurate is the Bible is inspired by God. Also God watches over His word to perform and to do what He says He will do. So in the last 3500 years many, many, many people have found that the Bible is accurate and true in their life.

Your attitude seems to be very very casual as if you know nothing about the Bible and no experance with the Bible. The people who spend 40 hours a week or more to study and read the Bible are the ones that tell us how accurate and dependable the Bible is. It is people that have no knowledge or understanding of the Bible that usually question what they do not know anything at all about.

 

[Jazer]

No... I don't have to respect your faith.

Yet you expect us to respect a Phd simply based on the amount of time and effort they have put into their field of study. But a Christian that has put a equal amount of time into their area of study you want to disregard. Sounds like a double standard to me. If you feel you have the right to disregard a doctor of theology, then we should have the same right to disregard a doctor of geology. Or any other field of study that we may choose at random.