Something Interesting

[TrinityLives]

Some of you may think this is old news, but it was passed on to me today so I thought I would pass it on


http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

 

[ContentInHim]

How cool is that? I must get that email to my friend who thinks the sun rises and sets on Al Gore!

 

[TrinityLives]

Glad I could be of help hahaha

 

[HypnoToad]

Yeah, Sean Hannity (from Fox's "Hannity and Colmes") has recently been slamming all the celebrity environmentalists (including Gore) who fly around in their private jets - burning more fuel in one trip than most cars burn in a year.

 

[RenaeN]

That is seriously funny to me. I work in a bookstore and there are people in there who come in wanting Al Gore's book and his kids book on the environment. It blows me away that his house could be like this.

 

[Tangeloper]

Thank you so much for sharing this! I hadn't seen it before.

In all honesty I truly believe Gore (in particular) sees the whole Global Warming thing as a way to increase his own wealth and political power/celebrity status and has nothing to do with beliefs regarding protecting our environment. I think this is evidenced by his company which sells Carbon Credit Offsets, and such -- and also as is pointed out most dramatically in the link you've posted. I think this whole thing is simply another way to separate well-meaning people from their money.

My somewhat precocious 10-year-old daughter has a saying about this, I hope I can post it here (I must go on the record saying I'm not fond of the psuedo-cussing, but she is spot on, IMHO):

"It's not Global Warming, it's Gorebull Warming."

[I must also say, that I'm SO glad we are able to Homeschool (Praise the Lord! ), as I highly doubt she would view things in this way had we allowed our children to be in public schools!]

Don't get me wrong, I think we must develop alternative fuels, and rely less on fossil fuels (as they are finite in quantity). However, the way most environmentalists push things in our society (the U.S. particularly) it's a lot of sensationalism and exaggeration vs. common sense, IMHO.

 

[Epiphoskei]

Hypocricy, thy name is elitist celebrity liberal.

 

[ContentInHim]

Dennis Miller, who I absolutely LOVE, said that he doesn't want to participate in Al Gore's spiritual crisis. LOL.

Think about it - what is this global warming business except some sort of Mother Nature worship?

 

[magdiel]

Dennis Miller, who I absolutely LOVE, said that he doesn't want to participate in Al Gore's spiritual crisis. LOL.

Think about it - what is this global warming business except some sort of Mother Nature worship?

I think you got something there with that last statement!

 

[Macrina]

I understand the critique of Gore's home; I wish he lived in a home which demonstrated more energy efficiency.

However, I don't understand the attempt to mythologize global warming in general. It's not Mother-Nature worship, and it's not sensationalism. There is a remarkable international consensus in the scientific community on this matter.

 

[Tangeloper]

I understand the critique of Gore's home; I wish he lived in a home which demonstrated more energy efficiency.

However, I don't understand the attempt to mythologize global warming in general. It's not Mother-Nature worship, and it's not sensationalism. There is a remarkable international consensus in the scientific community on this matter.

I don't want to debate Global Warming Theory in here as it's not the place for it, but let's just say that there is not complete consensus on the issue (check out the Oregon Petition for one -- 18,000 scientists who do not agree have signed that one). Also, remember that at one time in our history "all" scientists agreed that the world was flat, and the sun revolved around the Earth as well... Please remember that Global Warming is a THEORY, much like Evolution is a THEORY. This is not fact, and has not been proven despite what is being taught in our schools!

And, as it relates to Al Gore's movie, it was definitely sensationalistic.

As far as mother-nature worship. Well, I wouldn't agree with that statement in particular, but I can understand where that poster is coming from. Environmentalism has taken on a religious/ cult-like following among some people in our society.

As I mentioned, I'm all for developing alternative and cleaner fuels -- I live in an area with old houses that still burn oil heaters in the winter, and it doesn't smell too good. I also live near a paper factory, and we pass it on the way to my brother-in-law's house. The amount of pollution (dioxin) spewed into the air from that place literally turns my stomach -- talk about smelly! (That particular factory is grandfather claused out of some of the environmental control laws, which is a real shame... I wish the owners would just bite the bullet and do what's right for it's workers and the community as the pollution -- you can literally smell it for MILES -- is NOT good for the earth, or people's health.)

You'll find a great many Conservatives (political conservatives) who do respect the Environment and are concerned about how businesses and others affect it, contrary to popular belief. Although we may disagree on exactly what is happening, and how best to protect it.

I hope I didn't go to far, and start an all-out debate here... If you'd like I'd be willing to discuss this in the debate sub-forum, if the mods think that would be more appropriate. But I personally think this should be debated in a political forum as it really has nothing to do with Conservative Theology???

 

[magdiel]

Great post Tangeloper, I think you summed up all that I think

 

[ContentInHim]

I agree with Tangeloper - I'm all for protecting the environment, just not at the expense of people.

 

[Tangeloper]

Great post Tangeloper, I think you summed up all that I think

I agree with Tangeloper - I'm all for protecting the environment, just not at the expense of people.

Awww shucks... Thanks you two for your support! (You know, I'm always reminded of that old Bartels & James commercial when I say that... )

 

[Albion]

I understand the critique of Gore's home; I wish he lived in a home which demonstrated more energy efficiency.

However, I don't understand the attempt to mythologize global warming in general. It's not Mother-Nature worship, and it's not sensationalism. There is a remarkable international consensus in the scientific community on this matter.

There is no consensus, unless it's the consensus in the media not to mention that there are the many scientists who aren't saying that the sky is falling.

And yes, with some people is DOES come close to Mother-Nature worship. I can't say that everyone who's bought into the Global Warming line of thought is that way, but there are quite a few. It may be that these are people who were that way already and the advent of Global Warming arguments just played wonderfully well into their thinking.

 

[Albion]

You'll find a great many Conservatives (political conservatives) who do respect the Environment and are concerned about how businesses and others affect it, contrary to popular belief. Although we may disagree on exactly what is happening, and how best to protect it.

I have to supress a laugh at this because it was not so many years ago that Conservatism was being ridiculed by the Left as nothing more than a movement nostalgic about keeping the envirnonment safe!

If anyone doesn't think this ever was the case, consider who it is that always talks about "progress." Well, it's Progressives, isn't it? And what is it, allegedly, that makes more union jobs and helps the "working man?" New building projects, of course. It's only when the businesses get built and turn a profit that the Left doesn't like them.

 

[Simon_Templar]

I understand the critique of Gore's home; I wish he lived in a home which demonstrated more energy efficiency.

However, I don't understand the attempt to mythologize global warming in general. It's not Mother-Nature worship, and it's not sensationalism. There is a remarkable international consensus in the scientific community on this matter.

Not really. There are many well recognized scientists who disagree with the environmentalist line on global warming. The issue, and much of the information surrounding it is heavily spun for political benefit.

For example, the UN agency which recently put forward the huge report on climate change had something like 2500 top scientists who were listed as endorsing and participating in the study.

However, of the 2500, quite a few were not actually scientists. Of those that were scientists, there were quite a few who actually disagreed with the results of the study. Several of the top scientists involved actually resigned from the commission in protest over the conclusions and the methods. Yet their names were still listed as participating in, and endorsing the study.

There have been several university research teams, and independant researchers who have totally disagreed with the political line regarding climate change.
Where as, most of those who put forward the politically correct line are either politically appointed, government funded, or ideologically extreme on their environmentalist views.

I should clarify that no one denies (or at least no one mainstream) denies that 'global warming' is occuring. The global temperature is getting warmer.
The issue of contention is whats causing it. There is significant scientific data and quite a few scientists who say that carbon dioxide has nothing to do with global warming, and that human factors are not remotely the cause.

Further, the dire predictions regarding what global warming will cause are completely unrealistic. In the recent past there have been stretches of hundreds of years where the global temperature was significantly higher than it is now and not only were there no dire ill effects, infact it was seen as a great boon by the people of the time.

The global warming scare is politically motivated, and it is about power, and money.

 

[Simon_Templar]

The connection between environmentalism and new age religion is actually fairly interesting. In some cases, down right scary.

I remember a few years back reading a list of quotes from various figures connected to the UN, all new age devotees and rabid environmentalists, advocating ideas like the necessity of reducing the earths population by like 3/4's in order to have an environmentally healthy population etc.

 

[Macrina]

Since I don't want to debate, this will be my last post in this thread. I would, however, like to link to this article, which some may find interesting.

I'll unsubscribe now, so I won't get drawn into one of those useless internet debates.

 

[Simon_Templar]

Since I don't want to debate, this will be my last post in this thread. I would, however, like to link to this article, which some may find interesting.

I'll unsubscribe now, so I won't get drawn into one of those useless internet debates.

I realize you probably won't read this, but look at the language used in this article.. at one point it refers to the "denial machine" as run by 'contrarian scientists...'

The very fact that there is a counter movement headed by scientists reveals the "emperor has no clothes" nature of their so called scientific consensus.

Secondly, this is just another example of the rediculous modern philosophy that if science says it, it must be true. "scientists" have become the oracles of our society.
you want some credability for your view point.. tell them that "scientists" agree!!