• The General Mental Health Forum is now a Read Only Forum. As we had two large areas making it difficult for many to find, we decided to combine the Mental Health & the Recovery sections of the forum into Mental Health & Recovery as a whole. Physical Health still remains as it's own area within the entire Recovery area.

    If you are having struggles, need support in a particular area that you aren't finding a specific recovery area forum, you may find the General Struggles forum a great place to post. Any any that is related to emotions, self-esteem, insomnia, anger, relationship dynamics due to mental health and recovery and other issues that don't fit better in another forum would be examples of topics that might go there.

    If you have spiritual issues related to a mental health and recovery issue, please use the Recovery Related Spiritual Advice forum. This forum is designed to be like Christian Advice, only for recovery type of issues. Recovery being like a family in many ways, allows us to support one another together. May you be blessed today and each day.

    Kristen.NewCreation and FreeinChrist

  • Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Something I'm curious about...

Gnarwhal

☩ Broman Catholic ☩
Oct 31, 2008
20,867
12,600
38
Northern California
✟499,758.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I'm curious what your thoughts are on this situation:

What would you do if you had a friend who suffered from a severe case of Crohn's Disease, but limited themselves only to the input of Specialists and prescription drugs? Say that this friend over the few years that they have had the disease never saw any improvement yet continued to take drugs like Prednisone which actually worsened their overall health? Let's say also that this friend doesn't work, and spends all of their time shut into their home, keeping everyone apprised of their poor condition via Facebook, sometimes with unnecessary details (to the frustration and aggravation of many).

If you had a friend like this who only appeared to get worse from their current treatments, yet outright refused any suggestions from friends or family to explore other options because 'they don't know anything about it', and at the same time seemed to wallow in their own misery, how would you relate to that friend?
 

Kyleiferous

Newbie
Jun 11, 2012
68
2
✟22,703.00
Faith
Christian
This is a tough one. They really don't want to accept any help? Maybe they enjoy suffering or want the pity? I dunno. I have crohn's and even though mine wasn't that bad it was still pretty horrible at one point, so I can see why one would feel the way your friend does.

If you have already told them how worried everyone is about him/her then I don't think there is much you can do, ultimately it's their choice if they want to recieve the help or not. Hopefully they will realise that life is better when you recieve help.
 
Upvote 0

Observer

Observer
Sep 29, 2004
576
73
Australia
✟25,101.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian Seeker
Marital Status
In Relationship
There are plenty of people who are against natural medicine and other alternatives, you can't force them, so I guess you just have to tolerate it.

Natural medicine can be extremely successful for Crohn's, IBS and other kinds of inflammatory conditions. The key would be reducing inflammation, modulating the immune system and healing the bowel/reducing diarrhoea etc, which certain herbal extracts/preparations are proven to do. Not to mention the major role nutrition plays in these kinds of cases.

There are plenty of people who feel they have a good diet, but don't realise the way they are eating is causing their condition or symptoms. Things can boil down to a simple deficiency.. not to mention white carbs and processed foods are the norm now
 
Upvote 0

Bobinator

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2007
1,660
141
✟26,899.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
I have a tendency to tell people like it is. It may not be the most diplomatic, but that's just me. I'd let the chips fall where they may. If they de-friend me, than it saves me the trouble of putting up with their nagging and quite frankly- idiocy.

I would say something like, "Hmmm, not working huh? Time to try something else, or continue suffering."

Sometimes people need the blunt truth to wake them up. I know I do.
 
Upvote 0

Gnarwhal

☩ Broman Catholic ☩
Oct 31, 2008
20,867
12,600
38
Northern California
✟499,758.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
This is a tough one. They really don't want to accept any help? Maybe they enjoy suffering or want the pity? I dunno. I have crohn's and even though mine wasn't that bad it was still pretty horrible at one point, so I can see why one would feel the way your friend does.

If you have already told them how worried everyone is about him/her then I don't think there is much you can do, ultimately it's their choice if they want to recieve the help or not. Hopefully they will realise that life is better when you recieve help.

Yeah I understand.

There are plenty of people who are against natural medicine and other alternatives, you can't force them, so I guess you just have to tolerate it.

Natural medicine can be extremely successful for Crohn's, IBS and other kinds of inflammatory conditions. The key would be reducing inflammation, modulating the immune system and healing the bowel/reducing diarrhoea etc, which certain herbal extracts/preparations are proven to do. Not to mention the major role nutrition plays in these kinds of cases.

There are plenty of people who feel they have a good diet, but don't realise the way they are eating is causing their condition or symptoms. Things can boil down to a simple deficiency.. not to mention white carbs and processed foods are the norm now

I agree, I am one of them. Actually, I prefer no medicine of any kind (pharmaceutical or alternative, although I trust pharmaceutical far more than alternative). As far as the diet of the person in question goes, it's literally probably 50% hard candy. They don't eat any raw vegetables because apparently the fiber content aggravates their Crohns badly, they don't eat dark meat and rarely eat fish or chicken. So overall they aren't receiving much in the way of nutrients.

I have a tendency to tell people like it is. It may not be the most diplomatic, but that's just me. I'd let the chips fall where they may. If they de-friend me, than it saves me the trouble of putting up with their nagging and quite frankly- idiocy.

I would say something like, "Hmmm, not working huh? Time to try something else, or continue suffering."

Sometimes people need the blunt truth to wake them up. I know I do.

Yeah, I wish I was that bold. Most of the people I know who know the person in question have simply blocked their status updates on Facebook so they don't have to see the same old nonsense a dozen times per day, every day.

Basically my issue boils down to: They have a debilitating disease, I understand that and I can sympathize. BUT, my issue arises when they use it as an opportunity to complain and garner attention every chance they get yet they don't seem to be actively pursuing any type of healing. As if they believe any recovery actually exists and their only hope is maintenance.

Phrases like "fish or cut bait" come to mind, like they need to do something different or basically shut up. I know that's horribly insensitive but I honestly think this persons antics are losing them support because people are feeling less sympathetic towards someone who wallows in their circumstances.
 
Upvote 0