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Someone please defend De Beers.

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JessB

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There are a gajillion sites on how De Beers is evil. These sites claim that De Beers creates artificial scarcity, that they do evil things in Africa, and so on. They are, invariably, highly liberal sites.

I would like to read a counterpoint. I cannot find any conservative counterpoints to the "De Beers is the devil" meme. I would like to read some.
 
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I went out of my way to boycott De Beers when I bought my wife's engagement ring. I ended up buying used. Got 40% more diamond for the money that way, and she's very much happy with that.

De Beers has sabotaged would-be competitive operations, including a big one in Arkansas. And including several synthetic fabs. They've probably been behind more than a few murders as well.
 
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De Beers holds a quasi-monopoly on the diamond business. And if any other firm starts its own, De Beers offers to buy it.

They control so much of the diamond market that, should the new business refuse to sell, they could flood the world with diamonds with very low price, and lead the competitors to bankruptcy.

Since they are pratically the only producer, they set the highest profitable price(not the highest price, but the price that brings in the highest profit).
In more competitive markets, firms have a lower markup, that is, they charge prices lower than that which would bring them the maximum profit.
For keeping prices that high, they offer a quantity of diamonds much below their diamond capacity.

Still, we have to keep in mind that we are talking about diamonds. These are really unnecessary goods for consumers (and those who buy diamonds for medical, industrial use pay lower prices, because the rocks needn't be flawless or anything like it). So what if they are very expensive?
The only reason why they are expensive is because people are willing to pay for them. If people wake up tomorrow and decide diamond jewelry is as valuable as onyx, prices will drop, because no-one will accept De Beers's absurdly high prices.

So no, I wouldn't say that, based on this, De Beers is "evil".

However, it is also said they have very unlawful ways of defending their properties (little private armies who which threaten even passerbies), of treating their employees in inhumane ways and not putting much value on people's lives. If those charges are true, then it is true that the company is very immoral.

As for holding a monopoly on diamonds and charging high prices (which are only high because people want them to be), there doesn't seem to be anything wrong.
 
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Ask De Beer's consumer relations, I'm sure you can find some nice info from them!

Honestly, do you work for them or an importer, distributor, or commercial outlet affiliated? It sounds like your question-research has more to do of a personal-moral character question than a general curiosity.

While I don't consider De Beers to be the devil. Their basically just like "some" of the more ruthless oil companies with a business plan that puts most organized crime to shame. However, no government will fight them because quite frankly... "we" like our pretty diamonds and their high prices giving us the illusiion of wealth-exclusivity-importance.
 
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*blinks* at InigoMontoya

No, I can assure you that merely because I am relatively young does not mean that I am so selfish as to only ask about issues which pertain directly to me.

It is a simple philosophical question.

I have spent a long time as a "liberal" and am trying to realize which things I "know" turn out to be liberal mythology. Actually, I seldom even think about De Beers, not caring much about diamonds (except in a scientific "hardest substance known to man" sense), but I have been told the liberal side of the story a bunch of times, and want to hear what conservatives (which most Christians are) have to say.

Actually, my next topic will be a bit more close to home for me, a computer geek. It will be "Someone please defend Microsoft..."
 
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good post lifesaver

i haven't looked into De Beer's specifically
but i would guess
their situation is similar
to many other monopolies
nearly without exception:
"crony capitalism"
which means businesses
use the government
to create a monopoly
and is really an enemy
of free-market capitalism
 
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