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The total lifespan of the Universe is 311 trillion and 40 Billion years. This Universe is 155.522 trillion years old and it will end in 155.518 trillion years time. This calculation is based on the life of Brahma.

There are millions of Universes.All Universes have life, are closed, of different size and properties.During the lifetime of each Universe, there are partial creations and annihilations. At the beginning of each day of Brahma there is creation and at the end of each day there is partial annihilation. One day of Brahma is 4.32 Billion years; the night is also of the same duration. We are currently half way through the current day of Brahma, thus we have existed for approximately 2.16 Billions years in the current small cycle.

There are 8.4 million species of living beings in the whole of creation.

900,000 species of aquatic
2,000,000 species of plants
1,100,000 species of insects
1,000,000 species of birds
3,000,000 species of beasts
400,000 species of human beings

Not all these species are present on this planet.

There are 4 ages in which we keep circulating one after another.

Satya Yuga: The age of the truth and true religion. Everyone in the world is truthful and follower of the only religion in the world, the Vedic religion. The yuga (age) lasts 1.728 million years and the lifespan of humans is up to 100,000 years.

Scientifc Knowleage given here during Satya Yuga is According to modern science, the sperm is mostly nuclear material and the ovum is food material. So it is possible to create a human being only from sperm if proper nourishment is supplied to it. Similarly, it is possible, as in "parthenogenesis," to create an animal only from an ovum if that ovum is stimulated by some means. This phenomenon is also described in the Mahabharata when the sage Vasishtha says that an embryo can develop only from the female and, more emphatically, that the whole body of an offspring can develop only from sperm without the involvement of the female. And Vasishtha may say this with conviction because he himself was born without the help of a mother. The sage Agasti, his "twin," was "born" at the same time out of the same kumbha, or pot. In this, the first of such successful experiments, the scientists Mitra and Varuna mixed their sperm and processed it in a pot and produced human male twins, in the age known as Satyayuga, the Age of Truth. Lay man terms Cloning.



Treta Yuga: The introduction of ignorance takes place in this age. The Vedic religion is the only one in the world. The yuga (age) lasts 1.296 million years and the lifespan of humans is up to 10,000 years. Lord Rama(Krishna) Existed here, in his pastimes, he instructed the Intelligent Apes to construct the bridge between Southern India and Sri Lanka.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]A NASA satellite picture had brought the land strip under focus and some reports had mentioned that this was only a coral reef dating back 1.7 million years. but obviosuly Scientist are athiest and by accepting the Ramayana will not do them any good. This Bridge was constructed By the Early Apes under the Supervision of Lord Rama. Made of Stones clustered together, forming a curve. which describe exactly the spot between Rameswaram(South India) to Sri Lanka.[/font]



Map of Rama's/Adam's Bridge and environs



Dvapara Yuga: Increased decline in the truth and religious values takes effect in this age. The Vedic religion is the only one in the world. The yuga lasts 864,000 years and the lifespan of humans is 1,000 years. Lord Krishna himself ended this Yuga, All the major cities around the world sank, Advanced Spiritual Technology were lost.

This was one of the Technology which was Lost. Airplanes which can Fly to different Planets.

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One time while King Citaketu was traveling in outer space on a brilliantly effulgent airplane given to him by Lord Vishnu, he saw Lord Siva..."
"The arrows released by Lord Siva appeared like fiery beams emanating from the sun globe and covered the three residential airplanes, which could then no longer be seen."
- Srimad Bhagasvatam, Sixth Canto, Part 3


"Now Vata's chariot's greatness! Breaking goes it,
And Thunderous is its noise,
To heaven it touches,
Makes light lurid [a red fiery glare], and whirls dust upon the earth."
- Rig-Veda


Rig Veda is the oldest religious scripture in the world. vata here is a demi-god.

Another Technology which was lost but somehow managed to gain back from the modern scientist is Stem Cell research. Early in the Mahabharata, there is a story about how the hundred Kaurava brothers came into being. Their mother had produced a mass of flesh after two years of Pregnancy. But Then a Sage divided the flesh into 100 parts, which were treated with herbs, ghee and uttering of some mantras and kept in pots for two years from which the Karuvas Brothers emerged. It is a early instance of human cloning through stem cells extracted from the human embryos.

Kali-Yuga- The Age of Irreligion and ignorance, In the beginning of Kali-Yuga many religions pop up from nowhere, but these religions will gradually completely disappear from the face of the Earth one by one in a matter of thousand years. After 15,000 years into Kali-Yuga, there will be a major destruction of the world, most living beings will perished, life will then go back to primative ways with swords and arrows due to the lost of technology. Humans will grow shorter and shorter, life-span decreses, due to lack of healthy stuffs, Suns gets hotter and hotter by the day, Humans will resort to canniblism 427,000 Years from now Lord Kalki(Krishna) will appear mounted on a white horse with a blazing sword on his hand. He comes not to teach but to Kill, Liberating everyone on sight. This Yuga lasts 432,000 Years and the Life Span of humans will be up to 100Years. We are currently 5000years into Kali Yuga.



 

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sefroth77 said:
The total lifespan of the Universe is 311 trillion and 40 Billion years. This Universe is 155.522 trillion years old and it will end in 155.518 trillion years time. This calculation is based on the life of Brahma.

Sorry, but science says that the universe is 15 billion years old, and that is a very good scientific estimate.
 
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arunma said:
Sorry, but science says that the universe is 15 billion years old, and that is a very good scientific estimate.

The universe comes and goes according to Hinduism. In its current epoch it maybe 15 billion, but this pulsating universe has undergone atleast 18000 cycles so far. This scientific estimate does not contradict Hinduism. Since science does not answer why the big bang happened, and we all assume it is due to the divine will and Hindus beleive the universe sprouts and withdraws periodically. In the current cycle, the 15 billion may be a good approximation, no issues.;)
 
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arunma said:
Sorry, but science says that the universe is 15 billion years old, and that is a very good scientific estimate.

How would the Scientist know how big is the Universe. ? Understood. Scientist are saying it might be or maybe 15billion or whatever, they never say yes it is confirm the universe is 15billion. Scientist Do not know how big is the universe, probably they only know 1% of the entire universe and based its age on that 1%. Maybe our solar system could by 15billion or certain section of the universe. But what we are talking about is the entire universe.

MahaSudarshanChakra said:
The universe comes and goes according to Hinduism. In its current epoch it maybe 15 billion, but this pulsating universe has undergone atleast 18000 cycles so far. This scientific estimate does not contradict Hinduism. Since science does not answer why the big bang happened, and we all assume it is due to the divine will and Hindus beleive the universe sprouts and withdraws periodically. In the current cycle, the 15 billion may be a good approximation, no issues.;)

:thumbsup: Yes, only in this current cycle it could be 15billion, but there are many cycles in our huge universe. Everything will lead to 155Trillion years.
 
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sefroth77 said:
The total lifespan of the Universe is 311 trillion and 40 Billion years. This Universe is 155.522 trillion years old and it will end in 155.518 trillion years time.


Why should I believe these figures? Why shouldn't I think of them as mere guesses by ancient people?​
 
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Why should I believe these figures? Why shouldn't I think of them as mere guesses by ancient people?[/left]

Ancient people would not guess these figures 155.518 Trillion maybe they would have guess 6000years, Like i've meet a few Christian who used to say our earth is about 10,000years old, and Adam appeared 6000 years ago, these could be figures created by Ancient Man, But figures like 2.3 Billion, 155.518Trillion should at least be taken with some seriousness.
 
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sefroth77 said:
Ancient people would not guess these figures 155.518 Trillion maybe they would have guess 6000years

6000 years from Christians is a modern guess, not an ancient one. I don't know how old the ancient Hebrews thought the world was.

Anyway, I don't see why it should have to be so that an ancient people would not guess trillions of years. I wouldn't put this past a mathematically inclined people. Why not place huge numbers on subjects one thinks of as hugely important?
 
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Eudaimonist said:
6000 years from Christians is a modern guess, not an ancient one. I don't know how old the ancient Hebrews thought the world was.

Anyway, I don't see why it should have to be so that an ancient people would not guess trillions of years. I wouldn't put this past a mathematically inclined people. Why not place huge numbers on subjects one thinks of as hugely important?

The Guessing game is for normally for people who are not advanced in spritual Knowleage. Those who have no knowleage will say.....Hmmm This earth was created 6000,Years ago, Thats about it. While the Vedic Philosophy is based on Calculation.


Calculation of time (SB 3.11.1-12)

The atomic description of the Srimad Bhagavatam is almost the same as that of modern science. This is further described in the Paramanu-vada of Kanada. Time is measured in terms of its covering a certain space of atoms. Standard time is calculated in terms of the movement of the sun. The time covered by the sun in passing over an atom is calculated as atomic time.

Two atoms- a double atom
Three double atoms - a hexatom (a particle visible in sunshine)
Three hexatoms - a truti or 18 atomic particles, or one second
divided in 16,875 parts

One hundred trutis - one veda
Three vedas - one lava
Three lavas - one nimesa
Three nimesas - one ksana
Five ksanas - one kastha or 8 seconds
Fifteen kasthas - one laghu or 2 minutes
Fifteen laghus- one (nadika-danda) or 30 minutes
Two dandas - one muhurta or one hour
Six to seven dandas - one prahara or quarter of a day
Fifteen days and nights - two weeks or a fortnight
Two fortnights - one month



During the period of one month the moon wanes and is called krsna-paksa, the dark moon or amavasya. In the same month the moon waxes and is called gaura-paksa or sukla-paksa, the full moon or purnima. Thus purnima to amavasya is called krsna-paksa (dark moon) and amavasya to purnima is called sukla-paksa (bright moon). Two months equal one season. During the first six months the sun travels from south to north (uttarayana). During the second six months the sun travels from north to south (daksinayana). Two solar movements equal one day and night of the demigods.


The four yugas are known as a divya-yuga, or maha-yuga. One divya-yuga is 12,000 years of the demigods (4,320,000 human years). One thousand divya-yugas equals one day of Brahma (4,320,000,000 human years).

In Brahma's one day there are fourteen Manus (patriarchs of mankind). Each Manu enjoys a life of seventy-one divya-yugas or 852,000 years of the demigods (306,720,000 human years). After the dissolution of every Manu a new Manu comes. With the change of Manu the universal management also changes. Each manvantara is preceded and followed by the yuga-sandhya in length of one Satya-yuga. The yuga-sandhyas are periods of partial devastation and creation.

Brahma's life consists of 36,000 days and nights (of the same length), or 311,040,000,000,000 human years.

We live in Kali-yuga of the 28th divya-yuga of the 7th Manu of the 12th kalpa (called Sveta-Varaha) (SB 2.10.46p., Skanda P. 2.39-42), in the 51th year of Brahma. The beginning of this kalpa was 2.3 billion years ago (453 mahayugas back).

So in the revealed Scriptures Brahma's age was given at 51years at this moment so when we calculate the age of the universe it is 311 Trillion Years divided by 2. That will give you around 155Trillion years. Brahma wil live to 100Years on his planet.


Calculation of Earth.
  1. [font=Arial, Verdana]
    [*]6 MANVANTAR = 6 x 71CHATURYUGAS = 6 x 71 x 1200 DIVINE YEARS = 51,12,000 DIVINE YEARS.

    THEIR SEVEN SANDHIKAALS = 4800x 7= 33,600 DIVINE YEARS


    [*]27 CHATURYUGAS OF THE 7'TH MANVANTAR= 1200x 27 DIVINE YEARS = 324 000 DIVINE YEARS

    [/font]
  2. 3 YUGAS HAVE ALREADY PASSED THAT MEANS 4800 + 3600 + 2400 = 10,800 DIVINE YEARS
WHEN ALL THE THREE DATAS GIVEN ABOVE ARE ADDED= 51,12,000 + 33,600 + 3,24,000 + 10,800 DIVINE YEARS = 54,80,600 DIVINE YEARS.

SINCE ONE DIVINE DAY IS EQUAL TO ONE YEAR OF THIS WORLD WHICH ACCORDING TO INDIAN ASTROLOGY CONSISTS OF 360 DAYS THEREFORE WHEN DIVINE YEARS ARE MULTIPLIED WITH IT THEN WE GET 5480600 x 360 = 1,97,29,49,069 YEARS OF THIS WORLD.

WHEN WE ADD 5102 YEARS OF THE KALIYUGA THEN WE GET 1972949069 + 5102= 1,97,29,49,102 YEARS OF THIS WORLD.

NOTE- ACCORDING TO HINDU BELIEF KALIYUGA STARTED 5102 YEARS AGO.

THIS WAY WE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE EARTH CAME INTO EXISTENCE 1,97,29,49,102 YEARS AGO about 2 Billion to 2.3 Billion years ago.


So these are not Guessing games, It is calculation, Based on Certain aspect of the Cosmic Time.

Brahma worships Lord Vishnu(God), it is this time Vishnu reveals The Real World to Brahma, Lord Brahma gets the idea, using his Intelligence creates all forms of Life within our Material Universe.

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Another painting of Brahma

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I know you are a atheist, why not go read up on reincarnation and scientific evidence on it. I was a Atheist too. You don't have to read about religions, Please read up on Reincarnation thanks

Hare Krishna
 
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sefroth77 said:
The Guessing game is for normally for people who are not advanced in spritual Knowleage. Those who have no knowleage will say.....Hmmm This earth was created 6000,Years ago, Thats about it. While the Vedic Philosophy is based on Calculation.

A calculation can still be a guess, if it is based on premises that are themselves guesses.

The atomic description of the Srimad Bhagavatam is almost the same as that of modern science. This is further described in the Paramanu-vada of Kanada. Time is measured in terms of its covering a certain space of atoms. Standard time is calculated in terms of the movement of the sun. The time covered by the sun in passing over an atom is calculated as atomic time.

Huh? :scratch:

How do atoms work into this? How were they being measured?

So in the revealed Scriptures Brahma's age was given at 51years

So this is also based on "revealed Scriptures"? While perhaps not literally a guess, this is equivalent to a guess to me. Never mind.

I know you are a atheist, why not go read up on reincarnation and scientific evidence on it.

I have. I am very much unconvinced.
 
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arunma said:
Sorry, but science says that the universe is 15 billion years old, and that is a very good scientific estimate.
Why do a lot of christians say the earth is onlly 7 thousand years old, do you think adam was the first man, if he was and there's only 6 or 7 thousand years recorded in the bible what was hapening before then?
 
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I have. I am very much unconvinced.

Ok since you are a Atheist, you will not agree anything beyond your senses. But theres only one way to make you believe in Sanatana Dharma(Hindusim), Clear proofs. But you have to make a trip to India. All you need is a Tumb Print thats all nothing else.

When your Tumb is placed. The Person over there will go into a Huge libary of Palm leaves written thousands of years ago. This Palm leaves contains every detail about the Soul (not the body). Your previous births will be known too you, and the names of all people connected to you closely in this live and previous live will be known, what dieases or anything you'll be facing in the future all will be known only if you request. your place of stay, your childrens names all will be known, everything.

As ive said just bring your tumb print there, The Palm leave will come and the person there will translate your name from Tamil/Sanskrit for you. Than check if its your name ? You are in for a shock.

Nadi Astrology is not the normal ones, Its different to contains all people who have taken birth or going to take births in this Kali-Yuga expected to last 432,000 years.

But Sadly only 40% of Palm leaves remains, the other 60% are either lost or destoryed. So try your Luck. Please make a trip down to India. You want proof this is the only clear proof.
 
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sefroth77 said:
Ok since you are a Atheist, you will not agree anything beyond your senses. But theres only one way to make you believe in Sanatana Dharma(Hindusim), Clear proofs. But you have to make a trip to India. All you need is a Tumb Print thats all nothing else.

When your Tumb is placed. The Person over there will go into a Huge libary of Palm leaves written thousands of years ago. This Palm leaves contains every detail about the Soul (not the body). Your previous births will be known too you, and the names of all people connected to you closely in this live and previous live will be known, what dieases or anything you'll be facing in the future all will be known only if you request. your place of stay, your childrens names all will be known, everything.

As ive said just bring your tumb print there, The Palm leave will come and the person there will translate your name from Tamil/Sanskrit for you. Than check if its your name ? You are in for a shock.

Nadi Astrology is not the normal ones, Its different to contains all people who have taken birth or going to take births in this Kali-Yuga expected to last 432,000 years.

But Sadly only 40% of Palm leaves remains, the other 60% are either lost or destoryed. So try your Luck. Please make a trip down to India. You want proof this is the only clear proof.

This is interesting. Have you seen your palm leaves? What do they say?


How can I check this for myself?
 
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This is interesting. Have you seen your palm leaves? What do they say?


How can I check this for myself?

Ok actually i've heard of Nadi Astrology in the beginning but dismissed it as another Fortune telling thing. Still remember 26/05/05 this year i was watching a documentry on that "Nadi Astrology" on Discovery Channel title "About Asia" This Japanese Guy by the name of Nadamura(i guess) went to India in seek of this Nadi Astrologer. As he was talking to the Astrologer there he wanted to take a live camera of himself, He showed his tumb-print and that person took almost 5 hours to search for the Palm-Leaves which match his Tumb-Print. After 5 Hours, the Astrologer came with the Palm leaves and read the Sanskrit, "Is your name Nadamura ? " That Japanese Guy was dead shock and stood still. His father's name was mentioned his mothers's name, his Child's name everything, and it go on to say, that He and his wife should be separated by now. The fact was his wife two days before this event filed a divorced notice against him.

It mentioned that the Japanese guy was going to suffer with some kind of diease in about 12 years time and he needs to reduce the Negative Karma, inorder to reduce the effect of diease, So till Today the Japanese Guy is a Stauch Hindu and is helping the poor and needy in India.

Another was the Australian Lady, who was so convinced with Nadi Astrology that she openly declared that the whole world is running under the Law of Karma, and Nadi Astrology could gives hint on how to reduce it. She too Converted to Hindusim, and does Tumb-prints delivery to that place, taken from her country.

Another was a indian Guy who on his Last day on earth visited the Nadi to scheck on it, translater says that tomorrow is your doom save yourself and beg Lord Shiva to pro-long your life, he dismissed it and died of a Heart-Attack the following day.

Here is a real person who went to Nadi Astrology, Her Experience, It is just another person like us, in another forum. She posted her personal experience.

http://www.hindu-religion.net/showflat/cat/hinduism/14229/3/collapsed/5/o/1

Well she posted the place she went too.

Sri Agasthiya Maha Siva Nadi Jyothida Nilayam,
1-8-701/3, G.N.Panthulu Nilayam,
1st Floor, Padma Colony,
Nallakunta (VST Road),
Hyderabad - 44.
Ph: 040-7622105


If possible you can call them and ask.

I've not seen it, as it only exist in 4 different areas within India. The Palm Leaves only exist in these 4 places, One of it is above stated Address.another one is in Tamil Nadu.
I'm not from India, So i am just like you "How to make the first move ?"

The Documentry where that event of the japanese guy and the Australian women was at another Nadi place in Tamil Nadu near the Tanjaur District, i'm not from india so i'm not familar.

Anybody from India who can guide us ?

I must make a trip to India very soon, I will see this, I just want to ask about my previous birth, my family, where was i from and anything regarding the past, i shall not ask anything about the future, i'll leave it to Krishna to decide.

while The Palm leaves could contain millions of people's fate in it, Only very few will actually know that such a script about the Soul exist. Sometimes it takes many births to achieve this kind of chance.
 
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Saraswati-Devi said:
Also science say's there's no God... :wave:

If we apply that same argument to sefroth's claim here, can anyone here say all the non-sense (according to scientific claims, not my opinion) that he is coming up with in the name of calculating the age of earth based on his so called God as science or scientific method? Won't it be nothing but a corrupted version of science falsely claimed as science and scientific methodology? If you guys want to term your claims as scientific or revealed science in your so called scripture, shouldn't it be on the condition that you guys should not start at all with God in your claims to begin with in here?!!!;)
 
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Ok actually i've heard of Nadi Astrology in the beginning but dismissed it as another Fortune telling thing. Still remember 26/05/05 this year i was watching a documentry on that "Nadi Astrology" on Discovery Channel title "About Asia" This Japanese Guy by the name of Nadamura(i guess) went to India in seek of this Nadi Astrologer. As he was talking to the Astrologer there he wanted to take a live camera of himself, He showed his tumb-print and that person took almost 5 hours to search for the Palm-Leaves which match his Tumb-Print. After 5 Hours, the Astrologer came with the Palm leaves and read the Sanskrit, "Is your name Nadamura ? " That Japanese Guy was dead shock and stood still. His father's name was mentioned his mothers's name, his Child's name everything, and it go on to say, that He and his wife should be separated by now. The fact was his wife two days before this event filed a divorced notice against him.

It mentioned that the Japanese guy was going to suffer with some kind of diease in about 12 years time and he needs to reduce the Negative Karma, inorder to reduce the effect of diease, So till Today the Japanese Guy is a Stauch Hindu and is helping the poor and needy in India.

Another was the Australian Lady, who was so convinced with Nadi Astrology that she openly declared that the whole world is running under the Law of Karma, and Nadi Astrology could gives hint on how to reduce it. She too Converted to Hindusim, and does Tumb-prints delivery to that place, taken from her country.

Another was a indian Guy who on his Last day on earth visited the Nadi to scheck on it, translater says that tomorrow is your doom save yourself and beg Lord Shiva to pro-long your life, he dismissed it and died of a Heart-Attack the following day.

Here is a real person who went to Nadi Astrology, Her Experience, It is just another person like us, in another forum. She posted her personal experience.

http://www.hindu-religion.net/showflat/cat/hinduism/14229/3/collapsed/5/o/1

Well she posted the place she went too.

Sri Agasthiya Maha Siva Nadi Jyothida Nilayam,
1-8-701/3, G.N.Panthulu Nilayam,
1st Floor, Padma Colony,
Nallakunta (VST Road),
Hyderabad - 44.
Ph: 040-7622105


If possible you can call them and ask.

I've not seen it, as it only exist in 4 different areas within India. The Palm Leaves only exist in these 4 places, One of it is above stated Address.another one is in Tamil Nadu.
I'm not from India, So i am just like you "How to make the first move ?"

The Documentry where that event of the japanese guy and the Australian women was at another Nadi place in Tamil Nadu near the Tanjaur District, i'm not from india so i'm not familar.

Anybody from India who can guide us ?

I must make a trip to India very soon, I will see this, I just want to ask about my previous birth, my family, where was i from and anything regarding the past, i shall not ask anything about the future, i'll leave it to Krishna to decide.

while The Palm leaves could contain millions of people's fate in it, Only very few will actually know that such a script about the Soul exist. Sometimes it takes many births to achieve this kind of chance.

Thank you for the info. Are these stories documented anywhere?
 
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selwyn said:
If we apply that same argument to sefroth's claim here, can anyone here say all the non-sense (according to scientific claims, not my opinion) that he is coming up with in the name of calculating the age of earth based on his so called God as science or scientific method? Won't it be nothing but a corrupted version of science falsely claimed as science and scientific methodology? If you guys want to term your claims as scientific or reveled science in your so called scripture, shouldn't it be on the condition that you guys should not start at all with God in your claims to begin with in here?!!!;)

I can see the Anger and Fustration in you, relax man. Science is based purely on the five senses of the human-being, anything beyond that is dismissed by the Material Scientist. This type of Science is known as Material Science, in connection with the senses, theres One more Science which is beyond the five working senses, this type of Science is known as Spiritual Science and to my knowleage it only exist in Sanatana Dharma.

Be a Vegetarian, it wil help you reduce your Anger and Fustration. Do you know that All Sucide Bombers and terrorist are Vegetarian ^_^ ^_^ How's my Joke ?
 
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sefroth77 said:
I can see the Anger and Fustration in you, relax man. Science is based purely on the five senses of the human-being, anything beyond that is dismissed by the Material Scientist. This type of Science is known as Material Science, in connection with the senses, theres One more Science which is beyond the five working senses, this type of Science is known as Spiritual Science and to my knowleage it only exist in Sanatana Dharma.

Be a Vegetarian, it wil help you reduce your Anger and Fustration. Do you know that All Sucide Bombers and terrorist are Vegetarian ^_^ ^_^ How's my Joke ?


I have never heard so far this new definition for "Material Science". Can't stop laughing about it. Do you atleast know that there is a branch of science called "Material Science"?

And in your so called spiritual Science, do they use spirits as observables and the games of spirits as verifiable and reproducible experiments?

Sorry man. First of all I am neither angry nor frustrated in here. Contradictory to your claims here, most hindus here seem to be getting really angry and frustrated over Christians as demonstrated in their posts and replies directed towards Christians. Didn't you give them this suggestion of stopping to eat ? Or could it be that they are getting more angry after stopping to eat meat?
 
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