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Nevertheless, I am still curious as to your definition of denial.
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Nevertheless, I am still curious as to your definition of denial.It is not a literal meaning of denial. The person I was responding to misconscrewd the meaning and I was throwing it back.
Then the statement: "Yet Alan Chambers admits he struggles with same sex desires indicating that there is no transformation just denial.", is accurate, by your definition of denile. What, then, is your problem?Denial= refruting reality.
Then the statement: "Yet Alan Chambers admits he “struggles with same sex desires” indicating that there is no “transformation”…just denial.", is accurate, by your definition of denile. What, then, is your problem?
Alan Chambers denies that he is a homosexual, even though he admits that to having homosexual attractions. This is rejecting reality. This is, by your definition, denial.That is not denial.
Like I was trying to say. It is like saying that someone longing after marijuana is in denial. They are obviously not in denial. Just like someone who is addicted to sex is not in denial just because they are having lustful thoughts.
Alan Chambers denies that he is a homosexual, even though he admits that to having homosexual attractions. This is rejecting reality. This is, by your definition, denial.
No. Homosexuality is the phenomenon whereby an individual of a sexually reproducing species is sexually attracted to members of it's own sex. This has been observed in over 1,500 species, humans included.Only if homosexuality is reality. Which it is not.
Alan himself, or homosexuals in general? In either case, how?That said the homosexual is in denial.
Alan himself, or homosexuals in general? In either case, how?
I hardly expect you to argue from the Vedic texts.From a christian prospective.
Why would God create us as other than what he wants us to be?We want to be what God created us to be, that is not who we are.
Argueable. Our three threads on the subject appear to have digressed somewhat.Homosexuality is a sin,
Interesting. How do you know that our entire self is meant to change? How do you know that some inborn traits are not meant to stay, and others changed (ignorance into wisdom, for example)?therefore saying that it is who we are is irrelivent to the fact that we are not made to be who we are.
Why would God create us as other than what he wants us to be?
Interesting. How do you know that our entire self is meant to change? How do you know that some inborn traits are not meant to stay, and others changed (ignorance into wisdom, for example)?
With all due respect, no I will not. I am having a calm and rational debate with a fellow poster. If you cannot keep track, then that is your problem, not mine. I have made no rule infractions, and I would appreciate if you would keep the discussion on topic (insofar as david_x and I have made our own topic).I do your not appreciate your swift talk or confusion tactics, Wiccan Child. I kindly ask that you stop.
Ah, yes, free will. Why do we have to have a choice?He wants us to have a choice. In doing so God gave us free will.
Why?We are to be born again.
So, in your view, sexual urges are to test us? To see if we would chose the love of God over the love of man?These natural tendencies are denied for the love of God.
Ah, yes, free will. Why do we have to have a choice?
Why?
So, in your view, sexual urges are to test us? To see if we would chose the love of God over the love of man?
But is it instinct in animals? Is there any proven genetic evidence? Do animals have faithful monogmaous same-sex partners?No. Homosexuality is the phenomenon whereby an individual of a sexually reproducing species is sexually attracted to members of it's own sex. This has been observed in over 1,500 species, humans included.
No. Your god is supposed to have planted it in every human. It is not so much a gift as a mandatory and unreturnable burden.It is a gift. You don't have to have it. If you want it, it's there.
If God wants us to be better people, then why not create us like that in the first place?To be better people.
Fair enough.In a way.
Proven genetic evidence? A rather odd and specific phrase. But yes, there is much evidence that homosexuality is at least partially derived from one's biology (specifically, one's neurochemistry).Is there any proven genetic evidence?
Some species do, yes.Do animals have faithful monogmaous same-sex partners?
Species? They would die out then. Which species have some of their number do this?Some species do, yes.
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